Dragon Ball Super: Author Explains Why Anime and Manga Have Differences

Back in April in the city of Naples, Italy, the Napoli Comicon opened it’s doors for a few short days. The illustrator/author of the Dragon Ball Super manga, Toyotaro, was on hand as a guest for all things Dragon Ball Super. The team at Manga.tv caught up with Toyotaro-san to interview him about life and Dragon Ball.

The interview is conducted in Japanese, but there are English subtitles available via YouTube’s caption feature for English speakers and French subtitles embeded within the video for the target audience in France.

Toyotarō-san talks about working on Dragon Ball Super and how much the original creator of Dragon Ball (Akira Toriyama) and the series has influenced him. He is actually the chosen successor to Toriyama-sensei. Toyotarō-san discusses Dragon Ball was created by Toriyama-sensei not to convey any messages or values, but simply to provide entertainment. Any values received by the reader/viewer are from within themselves. Further, Toyotarō-san shares a little bit about his life, working under constant time constraints and pressure, and how he only sleeps 4 hours on days he has to draw the Dragon Ball Super manga.

Many fans often wonder why there are some differences between the Dragon Ball Super anime and manga and Toyotarō-san addresses this. He says there is no direct link between anime and manga and that the possibilities lead to discrepancies. He and the team behind the anime are basically given the story by Toriyama-sensei, but it is just a narrative outline. The specifics, such as dialogue, are not provided so he has to fill them in. Once given the story outline, he and the team behind the anime then work independently of the other, ultimately resulting in anime and manga being out-of-sync.

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  • KDG

    Makes sense.

  • Yomi

    A lot of stuff I already know, but I didn’t know Toriyama only gave them narrative plot-lines, and not dialog.
    That explains why Toyataro has all those Paragraphs of inorganic spoon fed power-scaling information that sometimes
    comes out of Beerus/Whis/Shin’s mouth.

  • Chris Ridgeway

    This is really old news tho lol. Nothing new.

  • Quinton Bowman

    really guys…??? they not going to tell the truth…. The truth is its because their manga is behind that it wont sell very well if it tells the same story…

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Toyotaro should consider plastic surgery.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    “Toyotarō-san” “Toriyama-sensei”

    Don’t do that.

  • “Toyotaro is the chosen successor to Toriyama-sensei.”

    ^I wonder how many people called me an idiot for saying this back a year ago lol?

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Man we DB fans have such bad luck.

  • Yeah you guys really do when I get proven right lol.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    This article is basically saying everything we’ve said on here for years. But it’s nice to have it in writing I guess.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    I was referring to Toyotaro being the successor of Dragon Ball but whatever floats your boat.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Ah no wonder Toyotaro doesn’t understand anatomy.All he draws is Dragon Ball.You can’t get good at art if you only draw one art style.

  • Well I was the only one who said that Toyotaro was Toriyama’s successor. Everyone else didn’t want to believe that lol.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Why are you so proud because of this?

  • Because it goes to show that I know more about the workings of the industry than all of you combine.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Lol you wish.

  • Got proven right. I predicted Toyotaro would be Toriyama successor the moment he started drawing the Super manga lol.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    That doesn’t make you an manga expert.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Funny thing is, this has been confirmed for a while. He’s not someone who “knows the industry” he can just read a link. If anything, he spends too much time watching cartoons, so if he wants to be proud about that then let him.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Ahtma alone knows way more about manga then you do.

  • Yes, yes it does. Since I know more about it than you do.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Tell me the process of how manga is made.

  • Yet he was against the idea of Toyotaro being Toriyama’s successor. That should tell you something.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    I’m also against the idea.But neither of us outright denied it as a lie.

  • Saiyan Soul

    Manga’s selling good enough for him to continue, don’t think he needs to worry about it at all and the data is only from the japanese sales.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    I also don’t remeber denying it either, but clearly Liger says otherwise.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Hopefully the manga won’t have Gohan destroy Tien like the anime did.

  • Saiyan Soul

    I don’t mind, he’s fodder at this point anyway

  • Author brings idea to the publisher
    Publisher approves idea
    Publisher assigns editors
    Author creates the story
    Editor adds minor or major elements to the story
    Storyboard is made
    Storyboard goes in for review then approved by publisher
    Actual manga panels being made
    Assistant help with the background art
    Editor does the final check up for approval
    Pages are then mass produced
    Revenue will decide whether the story continues on for more than 24 chapters
    Repeat the process over the course of the manga’s life cycle

    There ya go.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    How dare you

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Got some stuff mixed up but mostly right.Congratulations.You know basic stuff most manga fan know.

  • When it came to me you all were like “Citation needed”.

    Oh and nice way to back out with stuff like “we always knew this would happen” excuse. Very original.

  • Saiyan Soul

    He and Yamcha can sit on the bench and reminisce about the good ol’ days when they were on par with kid Goku.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Frieza’s coming back next Saturday

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    I have never said that.I don’t remember Ahtma saying that either.You were probably talking to some guy who randomly happened to stumble upon an article and don’t remember it.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    *Gasps*

  • You clearly would deny “denying Minato is a Secret Senju” if it came out to be true. It’s always happen.

    1. I say something
    2. You all deny it
    3. It becomes true
    4. You all act like you never denied it

    Sooner or later it will happen again and again and again.

  • RandomShinigami7

    It’s nice to hear that he’s dedicated to his work, but I think he needs to fix his sleep schedule. He needs more than 4 hours.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    That’s pretty average for an manga artist.But i thought he’d sleep more considering the manga is monthly.

  • I also know that most manga only last 12 chapters unless they make loads of revenue.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    That’s even more basic then what you said above.

  • That is because you denying it wasn’t important for you to remember. I remember it because I was the source of you guys’ denial.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Iv’e un-privated my account.You’re free to look at all of my comments and show me the one where i said that Toyotaro isn’t Toriyama’s successor.And i want you to link the comment.Not take a screenshot of a comment you edited.

  • Yeah but not everyone would know all the things I listed above. Heck I even stated around a year ago that DB would become like Marvel Comics and look what happened? Dragon Ball Room and Toriyama having a successor.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Not gonna work. He’ll look for something, then when he cant find it he’ll say you edited or deleted the proof, and call you a coward.

  • Duh he will just that. He knows where to look after all I did give him the time frame.

  • Now who is lying? Toyotaro wasn’t made a successor until around the start of this year. So nice try.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Toriyama having a successor doesn’t make Dragon Ball any more like Marvel.And 90% of Dragon Ball fans wanted Dragon Ball’s universe to expand similarly to Marvel’s.Just because you say it out loud in here doesn’t mean you predicted it.Iv’e been thinking about an expanded universe thing for years too.I just never mentioned it because i never really cared about it all that much and it was purely speculation.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Do you want me to swear upon my grandfather grave or something?What are you 8?

  • What people fail to realize is that he is currently working on the manga portion of the Universal Survival Arc.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    People had been calling him a successor since the Super manga started.So have most of us.

  • Not to sound like dicck, but nobody cares If you know more about the works. I’m being honest that’s all

  • If you swear like that I will still not believe you. I know everyone denied it well. I wouldn’t be saying this if I didn’t experienced it first hand.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    I do realize that i just assumed it didn’t take much effort because of the quality of the art style.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    You are such a pain in the ass.

  • No but I have been saying that he will 100% guaranteed to be the successor. Like it will be official. Not someone’s opinion but my Liger facts.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Ask me if i care about what you said.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    I mean, he probably knows more than me. I’ve read only one manga and actually do stuff other than obsess about cartoons all day unlike him.

  • Well at least you are honest unlike these guys that do not want to admit to denying it.

  • Yet only getting 4 hours of sleep should tell you something.

  • I don’t even read the Manga call me an animehead lol

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Yeah he must be a really good procrastinator.

  • People have something called a pride lol

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    It’s not even pride.We’ve actually never denied it.

  • True

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Not even that. Anytime it turns out something he said was right, he automatically jumps for joy claiming that everyone said he was wrong, and tries to rub it in our face like a child, even though for a majority of these cases, no one even remembers denying it in the first place.

  • Nintendo since you revealed Twintails people are starting to create fan art. -_^

  • This is why I know more than you about the industry. The mere fact that you think he is lying or exaggerating the truth shows that you haven’t looked at the history behind being a mangaka. But oh well ignorance is bliss after all.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Like the Shinki is Gaara’s son thing. He claimed that Soul denied that. Soul doesnt even like Boruto.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Where did i say he was lying or exaggerating?

  • *Twintelle
    Yes they have. Seems they know good character designs huh?

  • It’s not even a big deal

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Twintails is easily the worst character in arms though.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    I know, thats why I’m ignroing him. But try telling that to him.

  • Everyone’s using as Thumbnails

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Aw shyt my boy Yashima is fast enough to make 12 cuts of animation per day holy shyt.

  • How long has this Yashima been in the industry?

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Please stop pretending like you know anything about the anime or manga industry. Only Liger-sama has gone and researched all the famous mangakas of Japan and only he knows the inner workings of this glorious industry.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Earliest work i now of him was the first Broly movie.12 cuts of animation per day is in-human for any age.In fact i’d say it’s more impressive considering his age.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Yashima does solo-episodes on Super btw.Basically he animated everything by himself.

  • Her design good, but not the best I’ll rate it 4/5 stars

  • Not really if he has experience. At the beginning he might had lower cuts but now with the experience he has then it should be easy.

  • How?!

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    2 cuts per day is the average for animators.That includes old ones.Please refrain from talking about animation when you don’t know how it works.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    His old man arms have super speed.

  • Minmin is better than you.

  • Really? With Super’s production starting just months before launch that is an impressive feat.

  • Minmin is better than you.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Yeah i literally just said he’s impressive but you decided to ignore that as if it was a lie below.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Snake guy and Helix are the best tho.

  • I didn’t even watch the direct I only know about Twintails.

  • Kid Cobra and DNA Man.

  • srdjan2

    No that is not the case the manga is only there as an better way to promote the Anime but because they are behind they make slight changes to the story so that it is still worth reading and i personaly like both but i like the manga more simply because it explains things better then the anime does i mean the SSGSS kaioken was kind of an asspull in the anime while Goku started fighting Hit in SSG then when he attacked he switched into blue for the power then back to SSG for regeneration same with Vegeta vs Goku Black while he almost kills Black in the anime he uses SSG first then switches into SSGSS for the attack and back into SSG that way he has almost no Ki drain because the Ki he uses In SS Blue is regenarated when he switches back to SSG

  • Average equals new. Old ones also since they are old they can’t draw well due to you know age. But if he found a trick to be able to do those 12 cuts then all the power to him.

  • Even Kid Cobra is better than you.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    There is no trick.Some animator’s are just in-humanly fast.

  • Not saying it is a lie. Just saying that his experience helps out.

  • Who’s that?

  • *Twintells

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Sure it does but below you made it seem like anyone can be that fast with enough time.That’s not true,most animators aren’t that fast.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    No story mode, 10 playable characters, free dlc later, there are like 4 other modes aside from the standard fighting one, all the arms have different traits, and that’s basically it.

  • He is the one with the Beyblade like arena.

  • Didn’t expect story mode, but I did expect more single player modes.

  • These are the same people who made Mario Kart 8. What story is in that game huh?

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    “I didn’t even watch the direct I only know about Twintails”

  • I really need to catch up with news about Arms

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Is this Mario Kaet 8?

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    *Kart

  • Thanks you saved me time I don’t have to watch it

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    I mean, even Splatoon had one. Would’ve been nice if they did a story.

  • No but you should not expect story from an IP made by the same creators of Mario Kart 8. If you start expecting story in everything then you will have a limit in fun experience.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Aside from Twintails, there’s a snake dude and a robot cop who has a robot dog.

  • Interesting

  • I would have kinda preferred a arcade mode with all of them having personal stories.

  • Splatoon had a different developer. You really need to read facts.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    So if it isn’t Mario Kart 8, stop comparing it to MK8. They could’ve done a story mode if they wanted to.

  • Was he talking to you?

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Liger doesnt have a lot going on right now, so he needs everyone to know that he knows everything about cartoons and nintendo.

  • Dude it’s the same Mario Kart 8 developer. If they concentrated on gameplay(racing) without needing story how do you think they will do ARMS?

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    That would’ve been cool too. Just something that gives depth to the characters.

  • He should because he doesn’t know facts.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Again, is this Mario Kart? No it is not. They could’ve taken a different approach, stop putting them in a box.

  • They got the designs, and they have personality, now they just need stories.

  • Oh and since when have we cared about when people butt into conversations? You do it all the time.

  • Neither do you.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Oh boy here we go.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Yeah but nobody wants to talk to you.

  • Dude “gameplay over story”. Plus whose to say that Grand Prix isn’t ARMS version of Story mode?

  • Common sense dictates when it’s appropriate to walk into a conversation.

  • I do since I am the one who brought up the fact that ARMS was made by the same DEVELOPER as Mario Kart 8. Nice try Gen.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Did they say that in the Direct? I’m going off the knowledge they gave in the Direct, and I’m pretty sure they didn’t say that.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Cowboy Bebop episode 5 is the best anime episode next to episode 8 of the second season of Space Dandy.

  • It’s gameplay over presentation.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Actually they have the same developer as Mario Kaet 8 Deluxe, so you’re wrong.

  • Knowing the development teams tells you everything that this game will be and how it shoudl be made, yes, how could I forget?

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    And even then, Mario Kart 8 deluxe was just Mario Kart 8 with a new mode and some tweaks. They didnt exactly make an entire game from scratch.

  • I need to watch Cowboy Bebop.
    I think I’ll binge on my birthday.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Nintendo developed both.If you can judge just because Toei did it as if Toei is one singular being then we can do the same with Nintendo.

  • http://www.youtube.Com/watch?v=8kgs8qJtp4w

    Another thing Liger got right.

    Take care since I am expecting a big shipment coming in. Chat with you all later this afternoon.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    You definitely should.It’s fantastic.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Uhhh…that’s a discussion video…

  • Etika still thinks Min Min is better than Twintells.

  • Did you just refer to yourself in the third person?

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Nintendo Entertainment Analysis & Development Was MK8.

    Nintendo Entertainment Planning & Development Was MK8 Deluxe and Arms.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    I love how once I pointed out that you got the developers for MK8 and MK8 Deluxe mixed up you left.

  • She is you disgusting piece of trash!

  • Does it really matter Liger? I’m happy for you, but just stop with rubbing it on people’s face.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    And he has the guts to link a discussion video.Such filth.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    He wasn’t right about anything, he linked a discussion video.

  • ;-;

  • Yomi

    yeah, a “big shipment” I have no problem or qualms with gay people.
    But you shouldn’t be talking about “packing fudge”(or however the kids say it) on here, it’s inappropriate.

  • Did they explain why they’re keeping Trunks and Goten unaged?

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    No.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    But we blame Yamamuro for that.

  • Yomi

    He’s saying he doesn’t care about Walmart Freight.

  • They still call it “gay”.

  • Can’t really get how they could made a story mode out of it. It probably would be the most boring thing eve

  • :0

  • Enturax/Turbotrup

    Another proof this show is not canon.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Nah both the manga and the anime are canon.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Canon is basically non-existent outside of the original manga.It’s better to just not think about it and watch/read what you enjoy.

  • Enturax/Turbotrup

    Nnnope; it’s like saying that the movie with Bardock is canon because Toriyama thought about the character and his end. Ofc, some people think it’s canon, but it isn’t. Same with the Future Trunks movie; besides Gohan’s death scene (which was in the Manga), probably nothing else was written by Toriyama.

  • Enturax/Turbotrup

    That’s true.

  • randy191993

    The movie in which he goes SSJ was written by Toriyama and afaik there is a manga of it. So that one is canon. That directly sequels the bardock movie, plus parts of the bardock movie are actually in DBZ and it’s manga so yes, it’s canon, if you want it or not. And repeating it’s not forever and ever isn’t going to change the facts.

  • randy191993

    Saiyans age slowly. That’s what both Goku and Vegeta said several times.

  • Enturax/Turbotrup

    um, no, that episode where he goes SSJ wasn’t written by Toriyama. Neither was the Manga. Check it.

    The PARTS. And to be exact: parts where he dies and screams at Freeza, which is basically what I said… And it wasn’t in the Manga, neither was it in Z – it was in Kai. Even Toriyama himself said that the movie had a too dark tone (which I personally really liked), if he was the one to make it, it’d have a lighter tone.

  • Kaihedgie

    So there you have it: no messages about “working hard to be the best” and “struggling to achieve goals” are being advocated, just conclusions people wanted to reach in order to give the franchise meaning it was never suppose to convey.

  • André De Sousa Rodrigues

    No the movie with bardock isn’t canon, because in the manga “jaco” written by toriyama himself the story of bardock isn’t the same. He stole a space pod to send goku on earth beacause he has a bad feeling about freezer, and we don’t see any of his team mates of the movie and he don’t have the power to see the future.

  • Oh boi you are wrong

  • Edgaras Mugenis

    you the best from the karate kid
    would be appropiate

  • *Trafalgar D. Water Law*

    yep part of the anime is filler.

  • lolcatz6657

    Who cares if something is canon or not? More content is more content.

  • *Trafalgar D. Water Law*

    are you guys getting hot beauties that want to get laid tonight as followers?? so far had to remove 4 of em lol

  • *Trafalgar D. Water Law*

    I enjoy Gt

  • lolcatz6657

    I haven’t watched that for a long time, but i enjoyed it as well.

  • S2J

    Those aren’t women.

  • *Trafalgar D. Water Law*

    Lol im sure they aren’t, I just find it funny they want to fawk Trafalgar Law

  • Every since I got this weird follower I keep my profile private

  • *Trafalgar D. Water Law*

    You know what, Ill do the same

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Yyyyep eerything in Super is canon. You like canon so much, now we have two of them. Manga canon and anime canon. GT is in neither. We can probably have a movie canon too.

  • It’s better that way since you don’t want to deal with weirdos

  • *Trafalgar D. Water Law*

    Thanks phantom

  • Np

  • Two of them

  • BULL

  • No Kilkkl

    lol like it matters diquis accounts aren’t usually about your personal life

  • Sasuke Uchiha

    The Manga is way better than the anime

  • Erenzio

    >.>

  • Ryumancer

    In terms of art? Sure. Explanations? I guess. Consistency? Likely.

    But in terms of character development, the fights and usage of the transformations? Hell no, the anime stomps in those categories.

  • Erenzio

    Did ya think about it?

  • Ryumancer

    Uh, he’s right. They both at least said it once.

  • Ryumancer

    About what?

  • Erenzio

    What we talked about some days ago

  • Ryumancer

    I unblocked one. Still thinking about the other two.

  • Erenzio

    Alrighty~

  • Seventh

    Your stupid, it says in the article Toriyama writes the story

  • Ryumancer

    Or at the very least provides an outline. He didn’t even do that much with GT.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    The new destiny trailer and gameplay was nice, thinking about pre ordering it

  • Ryumancer

    But the first Destiny game I heard was a disappointment. Just be sure to do as much research as possible before buying it. Just a heads up.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    It was in terms of story and not explaining shiet, but it got a little better. Kinda wish they hurry up and make a movie

  • Ryumancer

    It’s not really that they didn’t want to believe that. It’s that they don’t see what the big deal about him is. I knew Toyotaro was gonna end up a successor or apprentice or something to Toriyama, but he hasn’t blown me away or anything.

    Heck, if anything he’s disappointed me somewhat.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Was it me?

  • Ryumancer

    Ah. The lore is a big part of me getting a game. If the world and history behind it can’t keep me enticed, I call it a failure. That’s what made me stop playing Black Desert Online. The Character Creation system was EPIC! The characters were beautiful. But there was little to no story. 🙁

  • Ryumancer

    You tell me. lol

    But in seriousness, yes.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Nice.

    Anyways, I’m heading back to Injustice 2.

  • Ryumancer

    Looks fun. I just wish those douchebags at WB would make a PC version. :/

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    Episode of Bardock is not canon. It wasn’t written by Toriyama, on top of the foreword of the manga has the author, Naho Ooishi, admitting that it’s just a what-if scenario.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Yeah that’s the same thing about Destiny, CAC was decent, the weapons were on point, and the powers were useful and epic. But the so called speaker didn’t explain shiet about who, what, when, and how anything happen. You can’t have a game without a plot nowadays

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    The manga is inferior by virtue that it doesn’t have the baseball episode.

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    Super is canon by virtue that it’s the continuation of the story laid by Toriyama.

  • Ryumancer

    Indeed.

    Hell, in terms of the GTA games, I liked GTA4’s story better than GTA5’s. Niko was a better protagonist than any of those 3 protagonists in the next game.

  • 1. Half Saiyans
    2. officialpsds.Com/images/thumbs/Teen-Trunks-The-History-Of-Trunks-psd69340.png

  • Elliott Blair

    Goku using ssb every chance he gets is great usage? The manga is far superior. Zamasu is an actual threat right now. The animals is bogus kindergarten sized crap.

  • Dark Souls is successful and has a very vague plot behind it

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    How dare you insult animals.

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    Zamasu is even less of a threat in the manga than he is in the anime, what’re you talking about? Goku’s going 1v1 with merged Zamasu right now and keeping up.

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    You can, but it has to be done correctly. Dark Souls and Bloodborne stand as testaments to that.

  • Elliott Blair

    When has goku not risen to the occasion so that statement is stupid. The fact is the writing in the anime far beneath the manga.

  • Elliott Blair

    The spell check on this phone is beyond crippled. It corrects any and everything.

  • Ryumancer

    They still have Saiyan DNA which would slow down their aging.

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    In terms of Z alone Goku dies to kill Raditz, would’ve lost to Vegeta were it not for Gohan, Krillin, and Yajirobe, got body-switched by Ginyu, showed up to fight Frieza and got absolutely bodied pre-SSJ, got wrecked by Android 19, submitted to Perfect Cell because he knew he was going to lose, died to Cell, and then later on only beat Buu because he got his power restored with a wish. He got absolutely bodied by Beerus, the list goes on. If you think Goku wins every fight you’re objectively wrong, and if you think he should win every fight then the Dragon Ball that you want is hella boring.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    I didn’t like the one Italian character but the crazy dude abd Lamar’s best friend were key character’s to me

  • Ryumancer

    Zamasu? The manga did the Zamasu arc almost the exact same as the anime did. Vegito’s the exact same.

    Goku’s fight with Hit was better done in the anime. SSB with 10x Kaioken was more epic than the lame SSG form’s return.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Wait those games don’t have a story/plot?

  • Anthony_weaver86

    I always thought it had a deep plot to it

  • Ryumancer

    Mike wasn’t Italian, he just looked Italian. But yeah, he was just a discount Tommy Vercetti. Trevor was far too random for my taste. He was just an emotionally screwed up discount Johnny Klebitz. And Franklin was just a discount CJ.

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    They have a very rich plot, but it’s very vaguely told as you progress. The only amount of lore and plot progression you understand other than advancing to later parts of the game is what you can gather yourself through item descriptions and careful observations on the state of everything.

  • The FLASH

    As with boruto series

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Lmao he wasn’t Italian, shiet I just sounded racist. Trevor was just funny to me and yes Franklin was pretty much a CJ but to me he had more something to him

  • The FLASH

    yup. The biggest joke until NMS

  • The lore of the game is pretty detailed in all the descriptions of the items and such.
    But yea, you’re not told much other than that and the beginning cutscene

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    NMS wasn’t a joke, it was a mean-spirited prank.

  • Elliott Blair

    -Saiyans were superior at the time.

    – debatable. Vegeta lost because of a year of inactivity while goku trained for a year. The ape was just icing on the cake.

    – got switched because who knows if someone can switch bodies?

    -didn’t get bodied by frieze it was actually competitive until goku was worn out

    -not sure if that’s the fat one but goku was dying internally.

    -also a competitive bout that was going no where so he let someone stronger step in.

    – died trying to correct gohan mistake.

    – he was fighting buu since before he turned into kid buu. Ss3 took a lot out of him and he still fought on.

    – beerus us is a god and gave him a competitive fight until his limits kicked in.

    Like I said. Goku rises to the occasion. I not once said he wins every fight. I said he rises to the occasion. The crappy list you made to prove me wrong only proved me right.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Ah so it’s simular to destiny just gives you very little details, in destiny they give you some back story but it’s not in 100% in game. You have to look up the website or whatever

  • BudokaiLimit

    Is sleeping only for 4 hours on a few days a month that big of a deal? Ever since my high school, Ive been sleeping for 6-5 hours and at most 3

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    “-also a competitive bout that was going no where so he let someone stronger step in.”

    Before they go to the Cell Games Goku stops by Korin and pumps himself up to half power so Korin can size him up next to Cell. Korin says that Cell’s stronger than Goku, which Goku already figured because he was still betting on Gohan being his ace in the hole.

    Goku rose to the occasion in the Super anime and got completely bodied. The only thing that the manga’s doing differently from that is massively deleveling Zamasu’s power post-merging by putting a SSB Goku almost on-tier with him.

  • Ryumancer

    Trevor was definitely comic relief. But I feel like a lot of his funny moments were forced. Franklin was above all that gangbanging crap for the most part. At least CJ was “down for the hood” and crap like that.

    Out of those three protagonists, I did favor Franklin the most. He was born the same year as I was (1988), and like me, his main specialty in GTA was driving. I take pride in my GTA driving.

  • The FLASH

    Lmao cant use beerus as an example. His sole role was to neg goku to begin the plot.

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    It’s typical for manga artists to have this kind of schedule. Some people need sleep more than others, I prefer to get 8-9 hours but I make sure to never get less than 6.

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    Yes I can. Raditz served a nearly identical purpose at the beginning of Z.

  • I rate the game a 4/10.
    Jokes on them, I got a full refund.

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    Good on you for being able to get a refund.

  • Ryumancer

    Putting it in perspective helps that question. Look at it this way, it is far less detrimental to your health than 0 hours. :/

    Heck, for example, Batman only sleeps 3 hours a night. And look at all the stuff he does.

  • Elliott Blair

    The fight was going no where. Goku was tired and cell was just just getting started. Especially after reviving from the kamehameha.

    Zamasu or black was never that strong to begin with in the manga. Zamasu was said to be weaker than trunks and black relied on the zenkai boost. So I’m not shocked that he isn’t as strong as the anime version who also wasn’t super strong after all the hype.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Hm better than destiny in terms of story tho, the speaker clearly says *I can tell you the great battle, how it all began, and I speak for tge traveler* yet he doesn’t reveal jack

  • Elliott Blair

    It’s just a great way to get the ball rolling.

  • Masso

    Depends on your line of work, people get used to sleep less, and it’s even easier when we are still young… but in the long run it’s taxing on our health. It’s best to sleep at least 6 hours a day, and 8 hours would be optimal for health. But a few years sleeping from 4 to 6 hours a day is not that bad.

  • The FLASH

    Lol no. Goku defeated raditz twice technically. Beerus was simply op just to show how meaningless Z was.

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    Zamasu’s largest threat was that he was completely immortal and unkillable at the point he was fighting, thus it basically didn’t matter the strength of his individual opponents. Black not being “that strong” makes absolutely no sense as he’s in Goku’s body and received multiple zenkais throughout his arc. Them merging together should definitely be stronger than SSB Goku or Vegeta, as he was in the anime.

  • Ryumancer

    Twice? How? Definitely wasn’t on the beach at Master Roshi’s. That dent in Raditz’s armor? That was Gohan. That Full Nelson Goku did on him at the end of the fight, that was so Piccolo could nail him with the Special Beam Cannon.

    Goku didn’t even beat him once.

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    Technically Piccolo beat Raditz.

    “Completely unknown character arrives on the scene at the start of the new series who presents themselves as a villain and is stronger than any known threat from the previous series.”

    But am I describing Raditz or Beerus?

  • Goku had to kill himself to beat his brother. Even then, he didn’t deal the blow.

  • The only way I can see you saying that is if you count Goku merely holding Raditz still so Piccolo can kill him, once with the tail and once with the full nelson. But either way, not a victory by any means.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    That was the one thing I didn’t like of CJ he didn’t want to leave the hood, while Franklin’s crew got upset and mad at him for leaving lol. I to have a connection with Franklin mainly though that part, and while I’m not into driving Franklin did help me out more to improve myself

  • The FLASH

    Lmao. Bro nobody saying goku > raditz. But he still got the win points imo.

    1. He grabbed his tail nulling him of his strength.

    2. If i remember correctly goku already knew he would die by doing the suicide strategy.

    Raditz lost twice.

  • PurexedSolitude;

    For manga artists, yes, it is.

    They work long hours because they have strict deadlines.

  • Neither of those count for victories.

  • Ryumancer

    Oh. Also, Franklin represents my favorite color, just like CJ and the gang they both represent, green.

  • The FLASH

    Not denying the obvious. Im saying that the only reason he couldnt rise to occasion with beerus was simply so he get his ass kicked. The previous z fights he always impacted the villain even if he lost.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Also he was the best looking character

  • I got the game for
    About $9.99 got a refund it wasn’t worth it boring as hell

  • The FLASH

    Yes it do lol. Obviously not in a versus scenario but in plot that would be.

  • Goku negated Beerus’s Sphere of Destruction, blasted him with his Kamehame, and landed many solid hits.
    Do those count for wins?

  • That doesn’t make any sense.

  • Saiyan Soul

    He’s saying that it’s a victory on the account of Goku came back with the dragonballs, Raditz didn’t have that luxury so yeah plotwise, it was a win for Goku and Piccolo even though one half of the team died

  • Ryumancer

    Not like he had much competition though. XD

    Mike and Trevor were both hot messes.

  • Sakata Gintoki

    If the job is physically taxing yes such as doing construction, roofing, or any sort of general labor

  • How did you decipher that?

  • Sakata Gintoki

    He used the dragonballs

  • Saiyan Soul

    He said plotwise.

  • I am a 7th Star Dragon Ball.

  • The FLASH

    I dont remember ssj3 doing that. And even if he did it wouldnt count. Goku lost to cell but he impacted him enough to weaken him and let gohan study his movesets. (goku says it himself) then later obviously he died to cell explosion but came back to mentally aid gohan.

    Beerus was simply to kick gokus ass.

  • Sakata Gintoki

    I am a ooey gooey ball

  • That feels like reaching. He’s stated Goku’s wins was physically impacting his brother in the fight, and not who who was alive in the long run.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Especially Trevor he look like he rape children

  • Anthony_weaver86

    What part 2?

  • Saiyan Soul

    Considering he grabbed his tail, yeah,he did physically impact him, that and he was able to hold him down with a full nelson besides being severely weakened which ended up killing both of them.

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    He still got completely bodied on King Kai’s planet.

  • And Raditz was only made to kick Goku’s ass.

  • The whole thing is boring

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    Which that made no sense either. TFS put it best, why didn’t Raditz just fly?

  • Complete and utterly.

  • Saiyan Soul

    Idk, ask Toriyama.

    maybe that buster from Gohan knocked all the sense out of his knoggin’

  • Sakata Gintoki

    he must have used up all of his chakra reserves

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    If I’d ask the modern Toriyama I’d probably get a “I don’t really remember” considering that was 20 years ago. If I asked the Toriyama back then, it’s likely I’d get a “lol I dunno.”

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Eh I still will probably get it, I did invest a lot in that game

  • Saiyan Soul

    Always count on Gin-san to have the best answers

  • It does matter you because they post weird stuff

  • Plot.

  • Sakata Gintoki

    Years of watching parodies of dragon ball have helped me

  • The FLASH

    59.99$ prank lol like Gen said, thx goodness for the refund.

  • Sakata Gintoki

    Like that guy i saw in an Injustice 2 review who was talking about how he pre ordered the game and thought he would get the 9 dlc characters right off the bat

  • The FLASH

    So why is raditz dead? lol. at best, his purpose was to have goku die but the fact still remains goku rised to that occasion which was to be strong enough to have piccolo kill raditz to protect the earth. i don’t understand what’s so hard to comprehend.

  • Because he’s served his purpose.

  • The FLASH

    and goku rised to the occasion. case close.

  • Sakata Gintoki

    I thought Injustice 2 would calm my hype for Tekken 7 I was dead wrong now I want it more

  • You’re wrong, but okay.

  • The FLASH

    🙂 you would only be right if piccolo could kill raditz w/o goku’s help. but okay.

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    Liger, as usual, is full of crap. I’ve known Toyotaro’s been pretty much named Toriyama’s successor and that’s been information that’s been confirmed for atleast a year now. I have never denied specifically Toyotaro being his successor, and even here I have acknowledged it directly. Toyotaro being Toriyama’s successor is what causes me to examine all of his works under a microscope.

  • The FLASH

    lol just a question to those who think dying in a result to beat someone isn’t a win or a “rise to the occasion”
    If gai had successfully killed madara but still die to the 8th gate, does gai get the win point?
    did jiraiya/kakashi not rise to the occasion even thou they were inferior to pain, yet managed to find secrets to help aid naruto to win?
    When narusasu sealed kaguya, did kakashi not rise to occasion and get the win point when he was the one who formulated the strategy?
    When itachi undo the edo tensei in the war arc, does he not get the win point because he couldn’t get rid of edo madara?

  • Ryumancer

    Oh, you mean AFTER he already bought the pre-order package he would still have to go through a DLC paywall? Damn, that sucks. But that definitely sounds like something WB, EA and Activision would pull.

  • Ryumancer

    Or old ladies. XD

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    For Guy – yes. But Guy would have done that relatively alone.
    For Jiraiya/Kakashi – no.
    For the Kaguya thing – no.
    For Itachi – yes and no.

  • Ryumancer

    Ew…Tekken?

  • Sakata Gintoki

    Damn straight

  • Ryumancer

    Ew…no. Sorry.

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    I’m excited for Tekken 7 because I’ll finally have a great 3Dish fighting game to play and also because eventually they might do a Soul Calibur VI.

  • Sakata Gintoki

    He would get them for “free”(as in he wouldnt have to pay a dime for when they came out) it just he would have to wait till said characters come out to actually get them

  • The FLASH

    But gai needed minato’s help iirc

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    All Guy needed from Minato (and to a lesser extent, Lee, he threw the FTG kunai) was to get Madara’s Truth-Seeking Balls out of the way.

  • Sakata Gintoki

    i will embrace all the ew to play that game

  • Ryumancer

    Oh. In that case, that guy was an idiot. He jumped to too many conclusions.

  • Ryumancer

    The ‘ew’ won’t be directed at you, it’ll be directed at the game. XD

  • Sakata Gintoki

    I know right lol it even says it on the pre order description on amazon and the description on psn

  • Anthony_weaver86

    BLACK LIGHTNING HELL YAS

  • Sakata Gintoki

    I will have to use my secret technique of strapping defenseless children to it to protect the game

  • Ryumancer

    I just gotta ask this. Why do you even like Tekken?

  • The FLASH

    alright

  • The FLASH

    which one lol so many

  • The FLASH

    lmfao isn’t that the game where the champion of evo tournament was some guy spamming superman’s heat vision.

  • Sakata Gintoki

    Besides a slight bit of nostalgia its always been one of those fighting games that I can pick up no matter what mood i am in and thoroughly enjoy it especially playing with characters like lei wulong and steve there are black sheeps though to the series like 4, free to play ones, and the card game(s)

  • Ryumancer

    Those characters are so generic and have no captivating backstories whatsoever. 🙁

    Street Fighter had the same problem in my opinion.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    The original….wait okay not black volcun the second version

  • Ryumancer

    They should’ve just gone with Static Shock in that case. XD

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Yes my brother, let the hype fuel you

  • Sakata Gintoki

    They are very great to use in fights though even though lei is super cop and steve is amnesia boxer they both are characters that play wonderfully and seeing their maximum potential used in a fight is amazing

  • Anthony_weaver86

    And like that we are no longer friends

  • Ryumancer

    The lore is too stale…in my opinion anyway.

    At least Mortal Kombat has a threatening doom of an apocalypse. Tekken and Street Fighter only have vendettas and a single organization that wants to end the world after a huge amount of effort.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    I would love a new SC game, I just want them to have a better fighting mechanism, more character’s (mainly black men and women) and unique weapons

  • Sakata Gintoki

    Its one of those the gameplay is over the story thing i will admit the story isnt great but even ed boon counts it as one of his favorite games of all time due to said gameplay

  • Ryumancer

    Sorry. Other than the fighting mechanics and graphics, which are pretty good, Tekken bores the living crap outta me. Story and characters are pretty stale. Just like our conversation a little bit earlier.

    The lore of Tekken does not keep me interested at all. lol

  • The FLASH

    ugh what i’d give to see a live action SS.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    *Snap my fingers at point to you with approval* but I get why they did this, he is old school. But they better give me a static shock the movie

  • Ryumancer

    Story is more my thing. If the story is weak, it needs a BUTT-LOAD of other features to boost replay value. I liked Saints Row 2. The story wasn’t great but the possibilities for looks and style were AMAZING.

  • Ryumancer

    And hopefully a better protagonist than that idiot Patroklos. XD

  • Ryumancer

    Indeed. Though from what I hear, Static isn’t a DC original. He was borrowed from Milestone and now Milestone and DC have a slight falling out. That doesn’t bode well for Static. 🙁

  • Sakata Gintoki

    Ah I see well if you don’t like it no reason for me to say anything against it

  • Anthony_weaver86

    I would be so at peace, but man would it be hard to fight SS cloths

  • Anthony_weaver86

    I forgot who that was

  • Sakata Gintoki

    He was the murderer

  • Ryumancer

    Same with me with you liking it. It ain’t against you, it’s against the game (or game franchise more appropriately).

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    I don’t care who’s in it of what nationality. Give me a strong, bolstering roster and a create-a-soul comparable to Soul Calibur III.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Nope I’m unfollowing you

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    He was a Sophitia and then later on Setsuka palette swap basically.

  • Ryumancer

    Sophitia’s son. He slayed many people who he thought were evil, but they turned out to be innocent.

    Patroklos reminds me a bit of Anakin Skywalker because of the hairstyle and the recklessness and slight arrogance.

  • Ryumancer

    🙁

    Wait, there was a following option on Disqus? O_o

    Or were you just using a turn of phrase?

  • Saiyan Soul

    Injustice is too stiff and clunky for my taste, all it’s got going for it is graphics well the sequel anyway, even then those female models, just ewww, I’m looking forward to tekken and MvC infinite,

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Sigh DC you failing piece of shiet. And true ss originally wasn’t like the one we saw on TV, the TV version borrowed both black lightning and black volcun. See this is why I hate how Marvel and DC comics are nowadays, instead of making new heroes they go ahead and reskin original heroes. And people mak8ng this stupid excuse about black or any other color besides white wouldn’t do well, which 8s bullshit

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    Only Marvel’s suffering because of that. Their entire comics division is reporting record low sales because they keep rebooting everything over and over as forced diversity stories that aren’t even competently written. DC’s fine though.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Wait wasn’t that the twins who were into each other?

  • Anthony_weaver86

    There is a following option

  • Anthony_weaver86

    For now

  • Ryumancer

    Yeah having a figurative monopoly in a genre sucks. They can do whatever they want without many consequences. Marvel and DC are kings and nobody else comes close, not Dark Horse, not Vertigo, nobody.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    They have so many characters yet they only focus on the main 8, and 4 of them aren’t doing that great

  • Ryumancer

    They weren’t “into each other”. It wasn’t incest. They just wanted to reunite after they found out who their mutual mother was.

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    I doubt DC will try what Marvel’s doing. Their comics are selling better and they’re starting to attempt to combat Marvel’s movies with their own.

  • Ryumancer

    Huh…weird.

  • Ryumancer

    Main 8? So there’s Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern. I’m missing 3.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    The rebirth is doing well and the JL A is starting off good, but DC have so many other heroes they bought yet they don’t milk it or whatever. Heck before the rebirth the new 52 was barely hanging in there

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Oh

  • Sakata Gintoki

    just went up to the top and noticed toyotaro’s blank stare and five o clock shadow

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Sorry 7 and it’s Aquaman

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Martian Manhunter and Hawk Girl

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Ah wait nvm that’s the cartoon. Aquaman, Cyborg and there are two GL’s in the comics.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    So that’s 8 League members in total.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Surprisingly no, but I meant 7, the 7th one is aquaman

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Well cyborgs is a JL member but, he never made it that far which is weird seeing that he has one of the most powerful tools in the DC world. And he did have a new comic but I don’t think it did well

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    I heard his comic was doing ok. Plus he’s been in a bunch of animated movies, both Teen Titan series, and he’s getting a solo movie after appearing in Justice League. So they’re doing stuff with him.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Hm need to read his comic than

  • Bullza

    What’s that got to do with this?

  • Ryumancer

    Aquaman…heheheheHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

  • Ryumancer

    Aquaman don’t count. lol

  • Ryumancer

    But anyway, I prefer the DCAU Justice League cartoon to tell you the truth.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Clearly nothing.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    But that doesn’t matter.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Lol dude he is actually pretty cool but his design in the comic is weak

  • Anthony_weaver86

    What does anything that anyone say that’s not related to DB or anime got to do with have to d9 with it

  • Ouroboros

    Poor manga artists…

  • Di

    so Toriyama is being so lazy that he just tell them “Goku is gonna fight x guy” and they have to think how and why he gonna fight him? thats lazy af and now I know why the story is worse than Z’s story

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    Your comments are some of the worst on this website and that’s saying something.

  • Di

    you are hyped for tekken 7? its been 2 years since the arcade version was released and theres barely anything new in the console version, my hype for that game died a long time ago

  • Di

    why does race is so important for some ppl? for Christ’s sake just enjoy the games without caring about the characters races

  • The guy is a dumbass lol

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    Yes he is.

  • indeed

  • Anthony_weaver86

    How many black character’s or any other race that’s not white have you seen in movies, shows, and games. The max would be at least 3 and there are some occasion if one of those character’s are a main you will see more of those colors, but my point is you rarely see that many black character’s in games.

  • Nope the idiot deserves it all he does complain

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    Considering it’s Di, no. I place him on a level well below Liger.

  • Sakata Gintoki

    So a private?

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    Recruit.

  • Sakata Gintoki

    I have seen Di on here before why all the hate I am a bit out of the loop so just curious

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    He’s consistently a low quality commenter here whose comments neither disseminate useful information nor is he even pleasant enough that anyone wouldn’t agree he’s an ass.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Sigh oh well

    But speaking about complaining I still don’t get why people who don’t like super still watch it, I don’t care for it abd I don’t watch it

  • Sakata Gintoki

    Ah I gotcha last time i really saw him he was arguing with liger about something or another

  • That I don’t understand the thing would be to Drop it

  • Sakata Gintoki

    Sometimes its just to feel more justified by their dislike for something

  • Hider Xera

    Today was a good day.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    I hope we see KH3 in E3

  • We should be seeing something at E3. They didn’t give ANY info last year.

  • It makes no sense I send a video recorded from my phone with good quality to my computer and the quality isn’t good on computer

  • Anthony_weaver86

    I just need to see a release date, new world’s, and new characters

  • Anthony_weaver86

    How was it

  • Hider Xera

    I hope we see Spider-Man at E3

  • Hider Xera

    Pretty good. Just chilled and played games with my friends.

  • Yomi

    Nah, if you pay attention long enough you’d realize this guy is retarded.
    and pretty bigoted too, just an idiot all around, and says the most inept
    garbage on this sight, at least Liger has a thought process, I don’t know what this guy has.

  • Ryumancer

    The only version that was worthwhile was his Injustice version. The only other one worth anything was the DCAU version.

    But Aquaman in general is overly arrogant of his heritage and city. He’s kinda like Black Adam in that regard.

  • Hider Xera

    Well after seeing some of the early scans of the mew chapter for the Super manga it seems even more people are turning against the manga now.

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    For release date we’d get what year they’re aiming for at best.

  • Ryumancer

    I turned against the manga when Goku used the SSG form against Hit.

    Don’t get me wrong, the anime having Goku use the SSB form on much weaker characters still needs to be explained though. But the manga using a weaker form after the anime used an epic technique stacked on top of a transformation is just kind of a big letdown.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    That is true, dont like how he ignores his human part….well technically he is still human, his surface part

  • Spencer Walker

    Ssb is mostly about ki control so it’s easier on the body than ssj3 and 2 so that’s probably why we are only seeing base ssj1 and God forms

  • Rhafty

    so.. trunks learned a kai move to heal others and goku after getting a zenkai boost has magically mastered Ssb.

    from the way it looked it seems it’s another movie like ability.

  • Ryumancer

    According to the manga, SSB is just as draining on the body as any Super Saiyan form and so they use the normal SSG form to fall back on to regain or sustain stamina. That’s how the manga does it, anyway.

    In the anime, the SSB form has no such stupid weakness.

  • Spencer Walker

    And whether or not that makes more sense or not isn’t my complaint it’s the whole if the Manga did it sheep if it was flipped and the anime did it they would cry about the anime being stupid I just can’t stand that

  • I come for the fighting and graphics in tekken, I don’t really care for the story at all.

  • Nate Williams

    My theory on Goku constantly using SSB is this: he’s trying to figure what will trigger him surpassing blue to finally getting to Rose, or if there are other levels between Blue and Rose. Zamasu was able to go Rose in Goku’s body without apparently knowing about the Kaio Ken. Goku’s desire to hit that mark is probably what motivated him to instigate the universe tournament.

  • Hider Xera

    Not even a zenkai because earlier in the manga they said Goku and Vegeta don’t get zenkai anymore. He mastered super saiyan blue randomly and was suddenly able to fight evenly with Zamasu. I guess the manga is inconsistent too. Even it has powerscaling issues. I hope both anime and the “manga is sooooo much beeeeetteeeeer” people have learned that powerlevels are bs.

  • Trey Titler

    Well, they did give us that little gameplay bit followed by “oh, and I’m sure you all want to know when it comes out? Well, so do we. See ya next year folks.” Seems like the FF-VII remake is about to take a similar path. E3 2030: We’re almost done guys. I keep saying it, and people have jumped on me for it, but I stand by this…Square is spreading themselves way too thin with everything they’re doing right now, and it’s showing. After all the delays though, if KH3 is nothing short of gaming perfection, you know there’re gonna be riots within the community asking for their head xD

  • Actually Goku didn’t master the SSB. What he did was pulled all the God ki that he emanates as a SSB into himself. But that requires a lot of focus as you can see in one panel his aura was leaking from his fist and he had to focus it. So no Goku didn’t master SSB form.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Isn’t the form called perfect SSB?I’m pretty sure he mastered it.

  • Nope if he did he wouldn’t have trouble maintaining the god aura inside him.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    twitter.Com/Herms98/status/864858696655843328

    It says “completed”.He’s mastered it.And i don’t remember him having a hard time keeping up with the form.He’s having a hard time fighting Zamasu.

  • Did you not see the panel of his aura leaking out of his fist yet after he punched Merged Zamasu?

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    No i didn’t please show it to me.I’m assuming you also have the translation that confirms what you are saying.Because Goku having ki around him does in no way indicate what you are saying.

  • You go search for it at Kanzenshuu dude. If you don’t believe than it is on you. Goku didn’t master SSB. He has to focus really hard just to maintain that aura less state.

    Plus the last panel that was shown first by TheDevilsCorpse show how Goku is holding his arm. That was the arm that was leaking the God Aura Ki.

  • Asuma (Scouter)

    I was under the impression that Rose was an alternative rather than higher state caused by Zamasu’s essence being Kai rather than Saiyan, giving him a more natural grasp on God Ki.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    First of all if you want anyone to believe you you’re supposed to link the panel.

    Secondly,the form is called completed SSB.Which implies that Goku mastered it.

    Lastly,just because ki leaks out of you doesn’t mean you get hurt.Zamasu was beating Goku.That’s why he was holding his arm.

  • i.imgur.Com/pavknk4.jpg

    Panel proving me right. Goku hasn’t master SSB form yet.

  • Complete =/= Mastered

    Goku complete SSB Kaioken but he didn’t mastered it until sometime after the U6 vs U7 arc.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    See what happens when you link a source?You get proven right most of the time.

  • I wouldn’t need to prove myself if you pay attention to the Kanzenshuu board. Go to his link and save it on your bookmarks.

    http://www.kanzenshuu.Com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=30467&start=14460

    All the Super manga news and info are here.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    If i cared about Super’s manga i would have bookmarked that long ago.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Then normal SSB would be called complete SSB.Since apparently the first time you use something you complete it.Also the manga is in Japanese.So complete was probably the first word that came to Herms’ mind that described what the manga was saying best.That’s why he put it in quotations.

    The form itself is probably mastered SSB,Goku just has a hard time with it because it’s his first time using it.Since it is just SSB but power doesn’t leak.

  • Which is why you will never win an argument against me over it. So keep it bookmarked just in case.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    why would i care if i wing an argument against you or not?

  • AsurasPath22

    That explains why DBS(Anime) is sh*t.

  • Yeah but mastered is probably the wrong. Mastered is having something with zero drawbacks. Like SS1 had some drawbacks but after Goku and Gohan trained for a year they were able to use SS1 state without any ki drain at all. That is what Mastery is.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    I don’t think you understand what i am saying.The form itself is mastered SSB.Goku just hasn’t mastered it completely.Basically he can’ use his 100% all he wants.

  • If you didn’t care you would have just accepted my words since you do know I go to Kanzenshuu regularly to find out about new info. Whatever reason why you care is only for you to know.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    I don’t care though.I just doubted it because it was you saying it.And you have a history of being wrong.

  • The form itself is just an SSB experiment at best.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    The only flaw SSB had is that the Ki leaked out according to the manga(that and transforming into the form twice really fast).And this form fixes that.It’s definitely a mastered state.Goku just hasn’t mastered it completely.

  • Also it seems mortals can fuse for less than an hour in the Super manga. How much is “less than an hour”?

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    “If you pay attention to the Kanzenshuu board”

    I don’t think anyone aside from you visits that site daily.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Oh and i did ask you to link the image.Like i always do.I didn’t completely assume you were wrong.Let’s say i was 80% expecting you to be wrong and 20% expecting you to be right.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    The site is actually fairly famous.People do visit it daily.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Less then 60 minutes iv’e heard.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    X < 60 minutes

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Explains why the manga is worse too.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    On here though.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    I visit it daily too >_<

  • Anthony_weaver86

    That Boruto ep was okay, Chouchou was pretty funny in it don’t see why people hate her?

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    Freaking nerd.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    You should pay more attention to the boards then, so you don’t lose to Liger.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    You have like,5 comic book tabs opened at the same time.

  • Don’t be a [email protected] What I mean is what is the true time limit for mortal potara fusion?

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Can we all just agree they both have their short comings

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Ew why would i pay attention to the official DBS manga board?

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    I think we’re done here.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Between 1-59 minutes.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    What Linger said.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Yeah were both nerds.

  • Popo ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    The purple haired Class Rep is absolute garbage.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Ah that Bones animator that also suprevised the episode animated Tien charging up his tri-beam.Seems like a waste since that scene didn’t really have much movement.

  • That explains why you should just drop it because your complaining is annoying.

  • Hider Xera

    We’re all wasted. Just organisms of flesh bound by universal law to the 3rd dimension unable to achieve a high enough state of consciousness to perceive the 4th. We are nothing. In the end we shall all just be nothing but memories. Infinitely looping over and over. Eventually forgotten.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Oh.

  • Hider Xera

    I like nachos and cheese

  • Pretty sure Time is the 4th dimension

  • Hider Xera

    Matter cannot be created or destroyed human. Allow me to educate you.

  • Not really related, but okay

  • Rude

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Can’t be a DBS chapter without broken necks.

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  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Or maybe it was just a joke.He did give Tien hearts for eyes so maybe it was.

  • That’s not broken.
    That’s deformed.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Which implies that it’s broken.

  • Elorii

    Necks are overrated.

  • Not really.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    It does when the characters neck doesn’t normally look like that

  • Nagatem, Triangle Sama SI God

    Snap crackle pop

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    I’d say Toyotrao underrates them

  • Kishimoto really liked oversized collars.

  • Elorii

    A real man has no use for a neck. He can turn his head in a 360 motion.

  • A Dandy in Space✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵈᵃⁿᵈʸ

    Oh.

  • Nagatem, Triangle Sama SI God

    They are cool, just like long flowing sleeves and tailcoats

  • Enturax/Turbotrup

    He writes story’s OUTLINE. He does the same for every other DB-related work, which’d mean Xenoverse and DB Heroes are canon to you…

  • Enturax/Turbotrup

    It cannot be canon simply because Toriyama doesn’t go into details – he isn’t making dialogues and he isn’t making fights – things which are DEFINING his work! Also, he said himself that whenever he checks the Manga for new ideas for Super, he is impressed how much he has forgotten… In other words, how can you state that it’s canon if the author doesn’t even remember his own work which he writes the continuation of??

  • Enturax/Turbotrup

    I’m pointing this out for the people who like it just because (they think) it’s canon.

  • Gray Fullbuster

    Wow

  • Gray Fullbuster

    Just admit it , Ru complaining is over the limit .

  • Anthony_weaver86

    She is pretty annoying.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Not in real life people will roast them

  • Another scan of DLC pack 4:

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    Confirmed Lighting of Absolution as Merged Zamas’ technique and Black Rosé and Zamasu possessed.

  • Christopher Cannon Jr.

    So this explains why Goku is a complete retard in the anime but acts more like himself in the manga.

  • Element115Will

    I will consider the MANGA as canon, not the damn anime. Manga has done such a great job filling in gaps that were not understood in the anime.

  • Yep indeed.

  • *Trafalgar D. Water Law*

    Glad to see Blue Goku can go toe to toe with fused Zamasu after that power up from trunks!

  • Trunks only healed him. What Goku is doing is basically what anime Whis told both Goku and Vegeta: “Do not let your ki leak out, keep it all inside”.

  • *Trafalgar D. Water Law*

    Bam good to know! I hope this factor is added in the anime

  • Ahtma ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᵖᵒˢᵗˡᵉ

    “Also, he said himself that whenever he checks the Manga for new ideas for Super, he is impressed how much he has forgotten.”

    Source or it didn’t happen.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    ….so Trunks doesn’t kill Zam?

  • *Trafalgar D. Water Law*

    not sure yet, the arc isnt finished but Goku is putting up a good fight!

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Hm

  • Di

    so? thats called diversity, not everyone has to be from x race just cause ppl want to, you sound like nazis with the white blondes perfect race thing

  • NiggaSavage

    I watch the anime and read the manga but I like the manga more. I think the manga does everything better and gives us more details.

  • Seventh

    He never does it for Xenoverse 2 or DB heroes. He even says he writes a basic script for the show. Not an outline

  • Air

    But why not just coordinate better and actually have it be in sync

  • Di

    cause I dont like ppl that go around whining about unimportant things, thats the price you gotta pay for not being PC

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Wait bit don’t you do just that? You are pretty contradicting yourself there buddy

  • Di

    SJWs are important but not in a good way, your whining is annoying af and you ruin everything with your victimism and political correctness

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Wait what? Lol hold up you think I’m a SJW just because I want more black people in SC? Boy I can’t believe I try to not think of you any less than people on this site had, now I see why

  • Di

    sure cause blm whiny b*tches aint SJWs, you can think anything you want but that wont change the fact that you blackwashing mofos are annoying af and should go to Africa if you wanna be a majority so much

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Oh and you’re racist ypu alhave the full package of stupidity huh

  • Di

    xD I knew you were gonna come with some racism blaming, typical SJW “logic”, I dont support your whining so I must be a racist cause blm and all that sh*t, right? ppl like you are the reason why racism is still going strong

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Omfg you are stupid, you are making a big deal just because I wanted to see more black/ other race in a fighting game and calling me a SJW. I believe you don’t think when communicate. And that is racist stupid if you tell someone to go back to Africa (which I never been) it’s showing hatred. And you do realize you contradicted yourself again saying ppl like me is why racism is still strong yet yo dumbass just made a racist comment. Serioisly what did black ppl do to you phuq your mom and girl friend at the sane time while you cry in the background beating your little dic to it? Or did your father leave you and your mother to be with a black man name Jerome

  • Koibito888

    And yet the anime does it in a way with nuance and buildup like Toriyama always did. Toyble on the other hand writes it like a fanfiction, just plastering all the satisfying information out there without any tact to the point where sometimes the characters feel like narrators and not characters. The info is satisfying (depending on, Toyble’s explanation of SSJG contradicts even his own prior work and is a pretty dumb explanation in comparison) but that doesn’t make it good. Fanfic writers crave the info because of the nuance and subtlety of DBZ, which is what makes people think and debate and talk about and obsess about it constantly, so fans want that info and when they write fanfics they do just that and satisfy themselves by typing out all the info, hell I’ve even done it. But that’s how fanfiction is written, not DBZ, it’s not a good thing that the manga reads like a fanfic and just his writing in general is not good and is off from what DBZ is and Toriyama’s style. People just want info crammed down their throats and skipping every good bit of development to get to the fights which is really sad and again, not what makes DBZ the thing we love. It’s a shame more people don’t realize this. Like the manga if you want but don’t act like the manga is better or closer to Toriyama’s style or that these things are good – it’s like GT, like if if you want but don’t pretend like it didn’t screw up heavily.

  • Koibito888

    I hate that it gives so much detail. He just has characters blurt it out, out of character, and it just reads like a fanfiction, Toriyama never really did that.

  • Spoiler Ahoy

    “Fanfiction.” You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

    Plenty of respectable works of fiction use exposition dumps. It’s a clumsy tool, but it isn’t really a fanfiction thing.

  • Koibito888

    Oh I know what it means. You misunderstand. I’m not saying that all works of fiction that use exposition dumps read like fanfiction. I’m saying specifically in the case of DBZ it is a common trope in fanfiction of DBZ itself to do it. Which is a problem considering that Toriyama doesn’t. Literally every specific about SSJ forms come in the form of interview and databook info but even without them you can learn that info by paying attention to context. Toriyama is a contextual writer a lot of the time and therefore exposition dumps are very against the style of DBZ specifically.

    It’s a good way for DBZ to be written because that desire for information is what keeps people thinking about it. What it does result in however is when people write fanfiction for DBZ specifically, they usually do not or cannot resist the urge to fill in that information in the same way to satisfy their own OCD. Hell I’ve even done it, it’s hard to resist leaving things to context, and because of that it’s not a fanfiction thing, but it is a DBZ FANFICTION thing specifically to overexpose, which goes directly against Toriyama’s style.

    This manga specifically reads like a DBZ fanfiction in particular because DBZ fanfiction does it all the time while Toriyama does not making it feel very much NOT like DBZ.

  • Di

    xD you are like a living racist stereotype, you are violent, you dont know how to read or type, you are whiny af, you play the victim every time, you have been through some sh*t and try to reflect your life on others to pretend it didnt happen to you, a monkey would make more sense than you and your group, I dont even know why some ppl call you monkeys if they are smarter

  • Anthony_weaver86

    You are stupid af and ignorant how about you go back into your mama’s pu$$y, which is the only pu$$y you ever been in

  • Enturax/Turbotrup

    Toyotaro said he’s doing it for everything related to DB so I assume: games too. And I recall NB mentioning that Toriyama did help them with the story one way or another.

  • Enturax/Turbotrup

    kanzenshuu dot com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-book-version/

    answer to the 2nd question

  • Enturax/Turbotrup

    nope, not at all

  • Di

    only? so your mom’s doesn’t count? it isn’t that good and only worthless things come out of it but it totally counts

  • Anthony_weaver86

    And like thar you failed with a good comeback as for your mom she’s gonna comeback to my place, but that b**ch better not bring you cause I am not playing daddy for both of you

  • Di

    you wish my mom would go to the box you and your crackwh0re mom live in so she could help you with some food so you can keep doing dr*gs all day in an alley like you love to do but she aint giving no charity to worthless and lazy animals, dont worry about any of us going there cause your mom brings her stinky 4ss to my place whenever I call her

  • Anthony_weaver86

    I thought your mom was the crackhead seeing as yo stupid a$$ was neglected and have such a deep hatred for black people for believing they did that to your mother. And how she had to suck d*ck just to get her fix rather than raise your worthless life.

    Speaking about your life I bet it sucks as bad as how your sticky a$$ mom gives head

  • Trevor Alan Jenkins

    Meaning, you like Boruto or not if you don’t mind me asking?

  • Di

    you know who is the crackhead since your mom is the one that f*cks anything for a bit of food and that includes her son and when I say food I mean cum thats the only thing you can get to eat cause your stinky lazy 4sses are too smelly for anyone to get near you and since youre too stupid you cant get no job, thats why you live in a box with rats fantasizing about f*cking other humans besides your mom while your white dad is making money and letting you starve

  • Hiruma Ignacio Youuichi

    Big Zam*