Dragon Ball Super: November 2017 Schedule [Major Spoilers]

Posted on November 7, 2017

In October 2017, we saw our hero, Son Goku, take his power to new heights with Ultra Instinct Mode. Although it wasn’t enough to take down Universe 11’s Jiren, Goku survived and was even given some energy by his long-time enemy, Frieza. Wanting to take down Goku, even though he is in a weakened state, Universe 6’s Caulifla challenges our hero to a battle. Joining Caulifla is her protegee, Kale. As a team, they will do battle against Goku and take their own power to the next level in a Saiyan showdown! What will the result be? We’ll have to watch Dragon Ball Super in November 2018 to find out! Below is the schedule, including major spoilers!

  • November 05, 2017
    Dragon Ball Super Episode 114 – Intimidating Passion! The Birth of a New Super Warrior!!
    Vegeta continues his battle with Toppo, while Caulifla is able to help Kale regain control of her Berserker form. Caulifla and Kale battle Goku together and are able to hold him off. Meanwhile, Frieza is confronted by Katopesla, but they are interrupted by Goku’s battle with Caulifla and Kale. Frieza wants to fight Caulifla and Kale, but Goku insists that he will fight them himself. Frieza backs down and watches the fight. The three Saiyans resume their battle. After unsuccessfully attempting to use Instant Transmission as a strategy, Goku powers up to his Super Saiyan God form and easily overpowers the two of them. As Goku prepares to eliminate Caulifla and Kale with a powerful Kamehameha, it is revealed that the girls were given a pair of Potara earrings by Universe 6’s Supreme Kai Fuwa. They use the earrings and fuse to become a single being with immense power, who takes the name Kefla.

  • November 12, 2017
    Dragon Ball Super Episode 115 – Goku vs Kefla! Super Saiyan Blue Defeated?!
    Fightning Universe 7’s Goku, Universe 6’s Caulifla and Kale use the Potara Earrings – which the Kai’s use – to merge together. Facing Goku as Kefla, they overwhelm him with their super power. Witnessing this, the other universes wonder if they too should use Potara to merge and begin forming plans…
  • November 19, 2017
    Dragon Ball Super Episode 116 – The Comeback Omen! Ultra Instinct’s Great Explosion!!
    Through his extreme battle with Kefla, Goku once again utilizes “Ultra Instinct”, a power which even gods cannot easily obtain. As a result, Goku triggers a further power-up in his opponent Kefla!
  • November 26, 2017
    Dragon Ball Super Episode 117 – Grand Love Showdown! Androids vs Universe 2
    After using up all of his stamina with Ultra Instinct, Goku is targetted by Ribrianne and the other remaining warriors from Universe 2. As it looks like Goku is going to get hit by their attacks, Android 17 and Android 18 arrive just in time to help
  • December 03, 2017
    Dragon Ball Super Episode 118 – Accelerating Drama: A Universe Disappears…!
    No summary available at the moment.
  • December 10, 2017
    Dragon Ball Super Episode 119 – A New Victim from Universe 7! The True Ability of Universe 4!!
    No summary available at the moment.

Via Herms98

  • Mugetsu a’k’a SS4 Gohan

    Geezas

  • Alex Lowery

    Finally goodbye universe 2 thanks to the androids…

  • dbz

    I want to find out more information about ultra instinct I guess they will tell us more about the form in episode 116

  • Kaihedgie

    Damn, Kefla seems nigh unstoppable

  • Mad God Morgoth

    This isn’t new, Kelfa has been known about for awhile now.

  • Only When Vince McMahon Dies™

    Uhh Ultra Instinct vs Kefla is new

  • *Trafalgar D. Water Law*

    Goku’s going to win & Idk man jiren hasnt gone full power just yet

  • Bennet Jackson

    No I assume universe 6 because only four fighters from U6 fighting and it like kefla defeated by Goku.

  • Alex Lowery

    Pretty sure universe only has 3 left at the most and the androids are set to fight them an episode before another universe gets erased

  • Leo LeiGto

    I think kefla is going to get DQ. Shes going to beat up goku alot. Then Angel guy is going to obliterate her and universe 6 for cheating and then heal goku to full health lol. Ultra instinct Go-Go supersaiyan God vs jiren. He stands no chance.

  • Mad God Morgoth

    The episode aired already a few days ago, it was SSG Goku vs Kelfa. He didn’t use Ultra Instinct.

    Also we knew about Kelfa last week.

  • Only When Vince McMahon Dies™

    Dude in like 2 episodes he uses it, hence “spoiler”

  • The Real Tobi (Cana)

    Lol if they have a higher base form then their power will be greater. Also did you watch? God stomped Ssj2 Caulifla. She couldn’t do crap. Kale could due to her berserker form which she controlled . Did you not notice Vegetables get caught off guard. Also SSj3 drains a ton of energy God doesn’t use much

    PL are messed up to a certain extent but others are consistent. If varies save your bitching for the real messed up ones.

  • Di

    these power ups are getting ridiculous, kafla is as strong as jiren and goku can transform again after losing all his power minutes ago for using that same transformation

  • Leo LeiGto

    I watched. And what I am referring to was the earlier Kael berserker vs goku blue. Where he actually got totally denied by her when she went berserker. No matter how strong her LSS is she should not be as strong as goku ssgod… I mean if broly showed up at 100% he should not be as strong as Super saiyan God blue .

  • randy191993

    Yeah, but a super saiyan raises your power by 50 times your power, and super saiyan 2 doubles that, and ss3 doubles that again. So SS2 is 100 x power, ss3 is 200 times power. So for the two to be stronger in SS2 than Goku is in SS3, they’d have to be at least 3 times as powerfull in base form than Goku is. And that’s just bullshit. Goku has absorbed god powers and spend his entire life and multiple deaths training. And two random gals from the street are supposedly three times as powerfull as he is?

  • randy191993

    SSG Goku vs Kefla was Episode 114. This news tell us that Episode 116 will be Ultra Instinct Goku vs Kefla. Do you even know what a spoiler is man?

  • Leo LeiGto

    This guy gets it. I love it when people start talking about powerlevel and try to defend super… you just CAN’T. It’s Maths lel.

  • Mad God Morgoth

    I don’t think you understand what I am saying.

    My point is that they are treating 114 like it’s new information despite the fact the episode has been around for over two days.

  • anonymous

    lol wtf are those multipliers? 2 cell jrs were able go head on against vegeta and trunks in their ascended ssj forms. If ssj2 is just going to double the strength 3 cell jrs would be more than enough to beat a gohan ssj2.

  • Leo LeiGto

    Sadly 3 warriors of powerlevel 10 are not equal to a power level 30… that’s not how powerlevels work.

  • anonymous

    See how frieza’s power levels work in dbz. First form was unable to beat vegeta (probably around 100000 since goku was only 180000 when he powered up for ginyu.) Then second form suddenly 10x (the episode title is power level 1million). Yet a piccolo upon merging with nail was able to beat him. (if i remember frieza said he was 500x i think so or maybe 500000x stronger (lol i dont remember check it) than nail.) Yet a simple namekian fusion was able to beat frieza whose powerlevel was 1 million. Hence imo cell jr example will certainly be correct.
    Btw I did acknowledge that his point is correct.

  • Bennet Jackson

    Oh I had no idea universe 2 have three fighters left anyway I’ll be glad that Ribrianne be erase because she is annoying.

  • Alex Lowery

    lol she is very annoying but i pity her because all the people that fat shame her for no apparent reason

  • Bennet Jackson

    Yeah but who knows it could universe 6 but we’ll see.

  • Alex Lowery

    true i’m not currently sure who actually has the lowest since they don’t focus on the lesser universes

  • Leo LeiGto

    I don’t understand what we are nitpicking at. Ss=5× normal. Ss2= 3times …. ss3= ss2x4… though the numbers are not correct we can clearly see that normal form is crazy weaker than super saiyan forms. Each transformation is exponentially stronger. Even if cell Jr had 20% of cells strength gohan ss2 ( gohans potential is a little higher) is way stronger than cell. That being said gohan ss2 cellsaga cannot will not EVER be stronger than goku ss3 buu saga. It’s just how forms are. I can understand Kael and caulifa are really strong but they were just taught how to go supersaiyan …. how strong are they?? Think of it this way… if you train lifting 100 lbs a 200 times you will get stronger… if a dude trains with 50000 lbs a day his base form is Superior to the 100lbs scrub. Goku has been fighting SS+ enemies almost dying and recovering all his life. And your telling me some bumpkin girls are stronger than his GOD form that’s he’s trained with the GOD of destruction to achieve? Get THE F#&*K OUT. Lol.

  • WTF?

    “super saiyan blue defeated?” more like super saiyan blue defeated again?

  • anonymous

    ???? did you even read my earlier answer, i was SUPPORTING you guys, just wanted to add that ssj multipliers are waay higher than what he said.

  • anonymous

    Lol, just realized, ssb never won. Against frieza, they needed whis(to revert time), in the U6 tournament ssb lost to hit, against zamasu, they cheated their way out of it by calling zeno, and now ToP we have UI to the rescue. #RIPSupersaiyanblue

  • Saiyan Soul

    >and nowhere in the anime/manga are those multipliers listed

    Are you implying that information has to be given in the manga and the anime to be relevant to the characters and the world? and no official guides and side material to them shouldn’t?

  • Ahtma

    Universe 6 is ranked above Universe 7 in Mortal Level, of course the people in it are going to be significantly stronger than what we’ve come to expect.

  • Ahtma

    Daizenshuu 7, published February 25, 1996. The databooks are valid sources of information.

  • Seventh

    The level of critical thinking in this fandom is abysmal, everyone does know that Goku isn’t anywhere near full power?

  • Seventh

    It’s based on how good hearted the mortals are in each universe, not power.

  • Seventh

    Kafla isn’t anywhere near Jiren’s full power. You could tell Jiren wasn’t trying against Goku, if he was equal. He would’ve had a a diff expression.

  • Ahtma

    Strength is a part of the ranking. It’s not purely one-sided, but it’s definitely not based on how good-hearted the mortals are.

  • Leo LeiGto

    They are random multipliers lol. PICK a number they illustrate the point they are not a perfect math. When you get to the millions in power levels 3x 1 mill cell Jr cannot beat a 3 Mil Powerlevel saibamen. Even with all their powers combined bro. they are each lacking in every Stat. HP,AttK, Def, Speed, Ki. 3 Mill Saibamen cleans the floor with them. If they were to FUSE. That’s another story.

  • Ahtma

    Numbers mean relatively nothing though. Power levels were introduced specifically to be shown that they were inconsistent and couldn’t be trusted.

  • PurexedSolitude;

    If you recall, Goku obtained Ultra Instinct when he was running on fumes.

    I reckon the same thing will happen now as well.

    Especially since he’s using Blue whilst trying to recover his stamina.

  • Wally West : Rebirth

    Jiren wasn’t using his full power against UI Goku ( version 1), bruh.

  • lolcatz6657

    If frieza didn’t resort to blowing up the planet, SSB goku would have won. Heck, he was most likely about to.

  • The Real Tobi (Cana)

    You seem to be forgetting that Goku is worn out. Or are you just ignoring stuff to complain about two new characters.

    Someone seems to forget that everyone in the Tournament is in the top of their respective universes. So they aren’t just two random girls from the street lol. Me thinks you have a problem with women. Where’s your complaints about Cabba, Jiren, Toppo, Dyspo, Hit, etc?

  • The Real Tobi (Cana)

    Also we don’t know Kale’s multipliers nor do we know if their multipliers are the same in U6. Caulifla and Kale are far stronger than Goku was when he reached those transformations. Kale is now what’s called a True Legendary Super Saiyan so I think she has a reason.

    Also SSJ drains enermous amounts of energy God is the wiser choice to fight he jumped straight ahead to save energy plus Kale is stronger than SSJ3 enough to make Vegeta pause long enough to get caught of guard.

  • The Real Tobi (Cana)

    I don’t think you did. That’s your opinion she shouldn’t be, it’s a form that gives a ridiculous power boost. Me thinks you have a problem with strong women as I don’t see you complaining about Toppo, Hit, Jiren, Dyspo or the like.

    Insults? You must not have much to your argument if that’s what you resort to.

  • The Real Tobi (Cana)

    Last thing Caulifla wasn’t stronger than SSJ3. She even remarks about Goku is this really the same SSj2.

    Quit ignoring details and just deal that the people in this tournament are the cream of the crop. We have no clue what Caulifla and Kale have gone through before this. Yes we have seen Goku fight and train but I don’t hear you bitching about Jiren who utterly stomped and tanked everything Goku through at him even UI wasn’t enough to do any serious damage and he wasn’t serious. Where’s your complaints about that? Just go ahead and admit because they are women you have a problem. Don’t see you complaining about Goten or Trunks either.

  • The Real Tobi (Cana)

    Also sorry for all the replies. Disqus doesn’t show the edits like it should so it leads to stupid amounts of reply chains.

  • Yomi

    This happens EVERY time there are spoilers.
    Just gotta wait it out and let them get worked up over new spoilers.

    Month after month, the cycle continues.

  • Yomi

    Anyone who thinks Kefla is as strong as Jiren is literally 5 years old.

  • Ryumancer

    SSB Goku went back down to base Goku and got pierced by a laser. Vegeta’s the one that nearly finished Frieza off before the planet got destroyed.

  • Ryumancer

    How is a pathetic universe like Universe 2 the second strongest out of all the universes participating in the tournament? It makes no sense, they seemed like total pushovers. Even Ribrianne is getting by on luck ALONE. Those mortal levels seem almost more bullcrap than power levels. XD

  • Ryumancer

    SS3 is 4 times stronger than SS2.

    Evidenced by an image from a guide I referenced below:

    pm1.narvii.Com/6595/467d101111d134eddcc04f816713094ca6f1a2fc_hq.jpg

  • dbz

    goku was slightly over powering jiren in ultra instinct but others say jiren hasn’t gone full power yet but who knows

  • Leo LeiGto

    The numbers brought sanity to a very complicated system akira introduced but never explained much. I don’t really know who the credit goes to for messing up so bad… anime design team probably… everyone is as strong as SSB and no one can differentiate the powerlevels… it makes for a pretty damn boring anime in my opinion.

  • Rich Garriques

    you must be blind , did you see the same episode I did? cause I saw jiren counter everything he was doing and fighting just like him. it is only until he hit jiren that jiren showed him he is still outclassed and knocked him right out. kefla will beat super saiyan god goku into instinct mode again. goku is being outclassed by a lot of his opponents this series and you goku dependent loving morons don’t seem to see that.

  • Rich Garriques

    so a universe is pathetic now? that sounded mighty oppressive.

  • Rich Garriques

    anyone who thinks kelfa isn’t strong is a 5 year old women hater. seriously why are you morons so offended that a women can get to the same level so fast. maybe because they aren’t weak. they were born before man and are birthers of the human race. they re already gods

  • Rich Garriques

    yours must be lost , sine when did not being at full power ever stop goku from winning? , you petty fanboys are making the excuses not him. hes having a hard time right now with very powerful opponents. I think you guys should ease up with the comments about kelfa only beating goku because hes warn out right now which isn’t the case since he seems to be jumping from one form to another every 10 mins.

  • Rich Garriques

    what baffles me a lot is the almost deplorably stupid comments about califa and kale , it is like certain fans are on this imaginary narrative where califa and kale weren’t warriors and did not have their own battles and adventures before they entered that universe tournament with goku and his friends. it almost comes off as if the hate is directed at them for just being FEMALES and beating the snot out of goku in a short amount of time. a lot of people don’t seem to understand the principles of universes every universe is different in balance just because goku and vegeta are the strongest in their universe doesn’t make them the strongest in all universes. they don’t run the solar system.

  • Rich Garriques

    explains why jiren had to step in when kale went into rage brolly mode. I think jiren is well aware of their potential and this will be proven even further with fusion since she is the legendary super saiyan.

  • Rich Garriques

    you re really stupid , califa is a stronger then the average super saiyan 2 and kale is another level she isn’t super saiyan 2 her power is probably past super saiyan 3 in rage mode. I think you forgot when goku used super saiyan blue kamahamaha on kale and she walked right through it in rage mode and beat his face in.

  • Rich Garriques

    how are they two random girls from the street ? you sound stupid. they re from a different universe and had their own battles they never even knew goku existed. califa is probably the goku in her universe.

  • lolcatz6657

    Then that’s normal goku, not SSB goku lol. Hence my point.

  • Di

    so? he is supossed to be stronger than a god of destruction so even if he is not using all his power he is op af

  • Di

    he obtained it cause of the genki dama and the fact that he almost died

  • Di

    we dont even know how much of his power he was using, beerus didnt even use 20% of his power and he was all serious and sh*t while fihhting goku

  • Raftleon

    you got to think about it tho. jiren’s been reacting to kale for quite some time, like he’s taking interest in fighting her. now kefla shows up and apparently has “new” form… a 1hko incoming again by one punch jiren?
    (i don’t get you know who tho lol.)

  • Raftleon

    dang… so thanks to the ladies using fusion, EVERYONE is thinking about using it lol.

    i like these ladies alot (mostly kale) but if those two are already that powerful with just ssj against blue then whatever coming next will be Op like mad.

    but aren’t they already ssj3 lvl in strength or beyond with normal form?

    to be honest I’m loving super right (not because of the female saiyans) not all the time we see goku pushed like this.

    so speculations were right about goku using them to obtain UI again and.

    seth and geek are going to have a field day with these spoilers lol.

  • BudokaiLimit

    you idiot the solar system is smaller than a galaxy go to school then u can watch anime

  • Leo LeiGto

    I love how you can’t even English. That’s what I said buddy. That gokussB got owned by Kael. Goku God mode should not fight krilin, gohan, piccolo, Android 17. That’s silly. It makes them seem like they are on par with Super saiyan Blue. They are not. Kale Lss is also not as strong as ssblue even though that scene happened. That scene corroborated the fact that powerlevels are NONexistant in this new CrapAnimeVersion of DBS. Your blabbering is moot. Goku is weak right now because he wasted all his energy and was kaiokenx20 vs jiren.. even so he’s way stronger than Kale.

  • Leo LeiGto

    Lol insults. Saying someone is “bitching” is not an insult? Choose your words more carefully son. Work on your troll game buddy. Inflammatory language starts fights. L2P BRO.

  • Larry E. Powe Jr.

    ep 118 might be a spoiler of Universe 2 being erased.

  • dbz

    jiren counter goku when he was using his other forms but goku slightly over power jiren when he was using ultra instinct only when goku ran out of that tranformtaion was when jiren blew him back

  • anonymous

    Doesn’t matter. The fight isn’t a game ssb vegeta died, ssb goku was helpless until whis reversed time. They would have won but they lost. Technically both lost since goku even took a senzu bean.

  • anonymous

    I never even brought up anything about dbs let alone kale and caulifla. When did I even say that kale and caulifla are stronger?? My only point was that his numbers were clearly wrong.

  • anonymous

    valid only if they don’t contradict the anime.

  • anonymous

    yes

  • Yomi

    Kefla is not as strong as Jiren.
    Anyone who finds that statement sexist is 5 years old.

  • anonymous

    ^ triggered feminist lol.
    as for your answer they may have had their battles but ssj is still ssj. 40 hrs ago they weren’t even super saiyans and now upon fusing they are stronger than a super saiyan god?!. so even vegito in his base is stronger than a super god?

  • anonymous

    where is it mentioned that U2 is the second strongest? I must have missed.

  • anonymous

    Logically speaking goku supersaiyan god need not even warm up to beat kefla. kefla should be around the same power as buu-saga vegito.
    But now these episode titles.. *sigh*.

  • anonymous

    other stats have no significance if it’s a clash of energy blasts that’s going on.

  • anonymous

    you called @disqus_l1IOsMkFyw:disqus an idiot. you even highlighted it using PS.
    You told me to gtfo (expanded and in block) when I never even talked about U6 saiyans in any previous reply. My only points were about super saiyan multipliers and you brought up kale and caulifla into your reply and told me to gtfo. You assume a lot of things in replies unnecessarily. Change your attitude.

  • Ahtma

    *manga, the anime is the one riddled with holes. And no, it doesn’t.

  • best xv player xD

    Lol Come on guys there are so many mistakes in super about power lvls these weeks thats its not worth arguing about it xd its just stupid on Z it was okey but super is a mess whit that men

  • blabla

    amen brother (also huge plot holes in regards to power lvls etc anyways so) . .

  • blabla

    un6 probably, goku taking kefla out (with the u.in.mode on) = no uni6 warriors on the arena=bb

  • Ryumancer

    MasakoX explains this is great detail in his video on the subject. The four universes with the highest mortal levels overall are exempt from the tournament, you likely knew this already. They were:

    -Universe 1
    -Universe 12
    -Universe 5
    -Universe 8

    The hierarchy is in that particular order. Now this would be the hierarchy of all the universes participating in the tournament:

    -Universe 11 (Jiren’s universe)
    -Universe 2 (Ribrianne’s universe, WTF?!)
    -Universe 3 (the one with the robots and nerdy Supreme Kai)
    -Universe 10 (Gowasu’s universe)
    -Universe 4 (Quitela the mouse God of Destruction’s universe)
    -Universe 6 (Champa, Hit, Cabba, Caulifila, and Kale’s universe)
    -Universe 7 (THIS ONE NEEDS NO INTRODUCTION, LOL)
    -Universe 9 (the one with the wolves and ANNOYING Supreme Kai)

    The link to the mentioned video is here:
    youtube.Com/watch?v=ughMlR7cm8Q

  • blabla

    obviously he was testing her as he himself said: i will release more power now, for F*CK sake watch the episode with zamasu To see his real power

  • blabla

    you f.stupid or what? both learn ssj form from the un6 little dude who had just Learned it from vegeta you can’t be f.serious with statements like that, you must be attempting to troll (or else please; really really don’t have children, for serious) pls

  • Serena Bergstrom/Punkocalypse

    I found spoilers that say point blank goku super saiyan blue gets stomped BUT since super saiyan 3 was teased 2 episodes ago counting 114, it only makes sense for KEFLA to go super saiyan 3 green only to be eliminated by ULTRA INSTINCT OMEN GOKU so the girls get ss3 as a fusion aka the gotenks treatment only to be eliminated by UIO GOKU and obviously get erased unless the universe 6 namekians bring more to the fight than we’re seeing and with both17 and 18 taking universe 2 out all that’s left is universe 3 and universe 11!

  • Ryumancer

    That’s beyond stupid. Official guides explain the rules of a fictional world when the manga or anime doesn’t explain them fully. Denying them is denying reason altogether.

  • Ryumancer

    Meh…I guess. But Goku wore Frieza down and Vegeta was picking up the scraps, so to speak.

  • lolcatz6657

    That’s because goku let his guard down and intentionally deactivated SSB. So he didn’t actually lose with SSB, so to speak.

  • anonymous

    I am not denying them altogether. But it is true that they have many errors, most of them are own theories of the guidebook writers. If those theories violate the anime’s logic then it is not stupid do deny those theories.

  • Ryumancer

    As true as that is, that didn’t quite deflate what I just said. XD

  • Ryumancer

    It’s an OFFICIAL guide though. SSJ3 always takes longer to transform to than SSJ1 or SSJ2 because of the massive upsurge in energy. There was a reason besides Saiyan pride that you never saw SSJ2 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta gang up on Kid Buu, merely doubling their strength wouldn’t have worked. They needed a singular “vessel” of power with quadruple the strength. And SSJ2 Goku could never use Kaioken if he wanted to, it would’ve killed him. That one time he used it on Pikkon was just filler.

  • PurexedSolitude;

    And it all happened when he basically had no energy left.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Hm well in other topics did anyone seen thor?

  • Only When Vince McMahon Dies™

    Namekians still

  • Only When Vince McMahon Dies™

    So in a way Ultra Instinct is more a defense mechanism than an actual form?

  • anonymous

    By cell saga goku was able to control his super saiyan form just as his base form (he could eat, sleep etc for 10 days). If he can go kaioken times 20 in his base, why can he not go atleast kaioken times 10 in his ssj form?

  • PurexedSolitude;

    That’s what it seems like for now.

    But I think it will come to be as natural as Super Saiyan in due time.

  • Only When Vince McMahon Dies™

    So for now Goku has to accept nothingness but his natural instinct is to fight that nothingness…..thus Ultra Instinct? Interesting.

    But I wonder if Goku can one day integrate Ultra Instinct with Blue or any of his other forms

  • anonymous

    It’s based on purely the number of mortals (number of live beings) no strength is involved.

  • disqus_z7oJUkLJVV

    Because literally no one in this entire series has gone from zero transformations to the rivaling the greatest powers in the universe in 40hrs. Ever. it’s damn ridiculous. If they had done any significant work for this astronomical increase in power besides getting a little jealous and having a tingly feeling NO ONE WOULD COMPLAIN. But they didn’t so hear we are. I would have loved them having strong Saiyan Woman of course they should be strong their saiyans!! but handing them as the writers stated “limitless” power basically because they wanted them to be strong instead of a proper growth is just bs writing

  • disqus_z7oJUkLJVV

    actually it did. because Vegeta lost not because of SSB but because he let his guard down it’s not the power of SSB that lost either of them the fight they lost because their mental weaknesses got exploited.

  • Yosura

    Its been a year since the tournament between U6 and U7

  • disqus_z7oJUkLJVV

    it won’t be they confirmed Kefla gets another power up when Goku goes UI and he’s going to have to use all his stamina again just to either barely eck out a win or hold her off till they defuse. Either is ridiculous but who cares not like im watching it anymore lmao

  • Ahtma

    It ranks the development of the mortals but not specifically population. Strength is a factor in it.

  • Ryumancer

    No it didn’t. Goku still wore Frieza down and Vegeta was picking up the scraps.

  • anonymous

    any backup for your claim?

  • anonymous

    It’s only his theory. Linking development to strength doesn’t seem correct at all based on the events of the anime. Mortal level reflects a healthy population of a universe, where creation and destruction are properly checked.

  • SOLOmio

    1 WEEK ago! Good Super hero movie. Just didn’t like what happen to the warrior Three.

  • anonymous

    You are a pseudo-feminist….an idiot who probably thinks men are not equal but inferior to women.
    wtf is your “women born before man and are birthers of human race” preaching?
    go to some religious website for this nonsense. You certainly are a 5 yr old.
    Go school yourself about “evolution”…… oh before that educate yourself about how humans biologically reproduce.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    It was a funny action movie, but with zero emotional drama

  • Saiyan Soul

    >Pretty much every guide is full of errors and cannot be trusted
    The super exciting guide pretty much confirms the multipliers since Toriyama himself comments on the multiplier for the super saiyan transformation and says it’s a fifty fold increase in strength while he was envisioning it to be actually a ten fold but it wouldn’t make sense cause Goku was already going x20 when facing Frieza and Freiza’s power at the time was even more exponential.
    The same guide doesn’t contradict his words and places SS at 50 times normal strength and goes on to place the increased multipliers for ss2 and ss3 respectively, so it’s not an error nor can you say it can’t be trusted.

    Your whole point about valid side material falls apart since the guide I pointed out actually has Toriyama’s interview about the SS multiplier in it.
    Speaking of the anime for dbs thing? the anime isn’t canon, only certain parts of it is canon, Toriyama only gives outlines to Toei and Toyataro that fill up the spaces inbetween, what’s canon is the times that both intersect and have the same scenario at times.
    DBS is a poorly written story, I’ll agree on that, the anime is pretty bad because the writers for each episode keep getting shifted about and there’s no consistency between them, the manga atleast tries to make sense of things.

    That’s a complete double standard you have about guides then.

  • Ryumancer

    It’s not really a theory. Strength is a factor at the very least. However, at the same time, what you said is also a factor. U7 doesn’t even have 30 populated planets yet. Probably why they rank so low on the seeding chart.

  • Ryumancer

    If strength were not a factor, the Tournament of Power wouldn’t have even been a thing.

  • asvpxjase

    Bro, the moment you said Kefla and Jiren are similar in strength you are deemed an idiot so just save face, stop replying and realize your mistake to even assume such NONSENSICAL RUBBISH!!

  • Koibito888

    Most of the scaling makes sense when people stop holding on to preconceived notions.

    Krillin for example, Goku was in Blue but not at full power (not that stupid ‘Goku can lower his power as much as he wants’ bullcrap that some fans try to explain, just not at like max power in Blue) and Krillin’s power up would bring him up to stupidly high levels. He was condensing his Ki, he was literally holding in Ki and focusing it to a point – Holding in Ki and raising it is literally what makes God Ki happen. Not that Krillin is using God Ki but holding in/condensing Ki is now established to create huge power differences. Krillin got a huge buff and everyone’s pissy because they wanna believe Krillin can’t get stronger even through new means that line up logically.

  • Di

    who said he had no energy? he just was tired af

  • Di

    oh my, we have a salty fanboy here, you dbstards are the dumbest kind of db fans

  • asvpxjase

    I’m not a fanboy nor am I salty. You’re just an idiot for even thinking Jiren and Kefla are similar in power. That is all. Save face and stop replying. You have proved you’re an idiot multiple times in the comments and this reply just displays your idiocy is limitless.

  • Di

    “I’m not afanboy, you’re stupid for pointing the flaws of my perfect animu” f*cking weeb

  • Leo LeiGto

    Lol what nonsense are you spouting now? No one cares what your comment about the multipliers was. It was not even in gear with what was being talked about. Go correct someone’s grammar. I like your attitude.

  • Leo LeiGto

    Lol you lost me the second you said Krilin vs Goku SSB. FAIL. No! False! everything here is fake news. Krillin no matter how much training he went through would die by just being around SSB. PERIOD.

    Krillin is not even as strong as SS. Period. Period.blood. lol.

  • Leo LeiGto

    Haha yea. I 100% agree. The people working on the anime have never seen DBZ.

  • Leo LeiGto

    Emotional drama is for tools. One of the best Marvel movies yet. Unlike Marvel Comics. Keep SJW’s out of Marvel Movies PLz.

  • Koibito888

    Then it doesn’t take much for you to get lost does it?

    First off “Krillin no matter how much training he went through would die by just being around SSB. PERIOD.” well clearly not because that’s not what happened so you know, you’re wrong.

    There you go, ‘Krillin can never be as strong as’ yeah everyone needs to stop with that thinking that just because someone is that character that they can’t ever get stronger no matter what new powerup is introduced, that is an incredibly dumb way to look at things and it actually makes no sense.

    Look, you want ‘real news’ we’ll here’s the facts without me connecting them:

    Krillin got a power boost

    Krillin got a power boost based on holding in his Ki and releasing it at a point.

    Krillin could spar with a held back but still Blue Goku.

    Goku and Vegeta getting stronger was entirely based on holding in their Ki.

    Those are canon facts and are true to DBZ now no matter how much you wanna argue, thems the facts now so put em together and you got your answer. If you don’t want to believe it it doesn’t matter, it’s canon and your uninformed opinion doesn’t really change that.

  • Koibito888

    Why?

    Base Cabba can match base Vegeta, U6 Saiyans are more powerful and at the moment of fusion the fact that Kale and Caulifla can even fight current SSJ Goku means they are stronger than Buu Saga Goku and Vegeta, their fusion should be stronger than Buu Saga Vegetto.

  • Koibito888

    Not only that but U6/U7 tournament base Cabba matched base Vegeta’s power, these Saiyans are freaking strong and people just need to accept that instead of making excuses for Goku.

  • Koibito888

    That’s what ‘out of energy’ means in DBZ. This ain’t Naruto, they don’t have Ki reserves that when they run out there’s just none left. The body produces as much Ki as stamina you have, if you’re tired and recover for a second long enough to produce more Ki you can produce more Ki. It’s not a container like Chakra it’s like a muscle, it can keep working till it breaks, and this was true even before King Kai directly compared Ki usage to a muscle in Super.

  • Koibito888

    Ultra Instinct is a technique more than a form, it’s literally more Kaioken than SSJ.

    The power boost came from his energy being compressed by the Spirit Bomb and is separate entirely from Ultra Instinct which is the technique of ‘moving without thinking’.

    The power boost will likely just become Goku’s new base power, I mean without Spirit Bomb you don’t even got the cool aura it’s just Goku in base with silver eyes. Goku might need to power up to full to activate Ultra Instinct or Ultra Instinct only appears when in a full power state or something tying the two together and making it look like a power boost but the difference will still be there.

    Like Beerus going Ultra Instinct likely does not give him a huge power boost because he doesn’t have a Spirit Bomb condensing his energy, he’d just get a huge reaction/speed boost.

  • Koibito888

    It’s not silly though. First off it doesn’t ‘make them seem like they are on par with Blue’, none of the fights even hinted that they were equal to Goku. Krillin was only holding his own getting beaten still but his powerup was literally based on holding in his Ki which is the same exact method to God Ki (no Krillin does not have God Ki but my point is holding in your energy at all creates huge unimaginable power boosts, let Krillin get stronger with logical methods damn), Gohan still got owned by Blue Goku so I don’t know what you mean there, Piccolo had no moment of matching Goku, and 17 makes the most sense. Dude Frieza’s powerup worked because Frieza was that strong without ever training, 17 was just built that way, HE’S LITERALLY BETTER FRIEZA lol.

    People need to stop with the Berserk thing. Berserk is a new form and is held to no standard and can be as strong as the plot needs it to be. It’s a brand new form and we don’t know it’s strength and clearly it’s huge enough to clear gaps.

  • Koibito888

    But they weren’t stronger than SSJ3 in SSJ2 what are you talking about?

  • Koibito888

    I doubt that the regular SSJ multipliers are different between universes that’d be pretty dumb but yes Kale’s form is a new form and as such it’s multiplier can be anything and it can be as strong as the plot needs it to be without it being illogical.

  • samehada

    That still doesn’t make any sense. Can base Krillin spar with SSJ Goku or even base Goku?
    If he can’t even do that then even if he could do a mock version of Goku’s god mode tech, he shouldn’t be able to spar with Goku in god (red) let alone blue.

  • Koibito888

    That just IS base Krillin it’s not a form it’s a heightened level of Ki just like base Goku after getting God Ki, and then he trained for a bit. And so yeah he probably can now. Still lose of course but he could still spar with a held back Blue Goku and lose. I dont get what’s so hard to understand about that.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    So the death 0f his closet friends or their world being gone shouldn’t have ant emotional attachments

  • samehada

    What’s hard to understand is that:
    a) Base Krillin doesn’t (and shouldn’t) stand a chance against base Goku.
    b) Base Krillin doesn’t stand a chance of keeping up with super saiyan Goku.
    c) Krillin’s “heightened level of Ki” is a slop or “inferior” version of Goku’s god mode. Thus, a) dictates that his chances against Goku are even lower that in a).
    d) Blue is Super Saiyan state while in god mode, So b) and c) dictate that Krillin’s chance are non existent against Goku in blue. It doesn’t matter how much Goku holds back. It’s impossible for Krillin to give him damage.

    Edit: Basically, The only way this would’ve ever made the slightest bit of sense is if it was possible for base Krilliin to spar and keep up with SSJ Goku, which takes the advantage of “holding Ki” from the both of them. You KNOW that’s impossible for Krillin. It would be a miracle if he could even keep up with base Goku.

  • Leo LeiGto

    Lol. You need to stay away from the koolaid bro. Anyone that has seen DBZ knows that what they are doing on Super makes no sense. It’s cool that you think krilin is super strong because they dun goofed and showed goku fighting him while transformed… krilin is not strong. Never will even touch the bottom tier of SS. Strongest human is Tien and his ki control is way better than krillin. But alas! They will both continue to be weaker than SS. Tien you could argue a tiny bit. But no stronger…

  • Leo LeiGto

    Lol don’t worry man. Kobi has no idea what he’s talking about. He’s too drunk.

  • Leo LeiGto

    TRIO DE DANGERS will super saiyan rose again and take back the DBS crown.

  • Leo LeiGto

    This is fake news. All forms are held to a standard. And in DB super they destroyed past explanations for everything and now they are stuck making up dumb $hit trying to make ends meet. Lol. Don’t worry my friend. When the manga releases and people complain enough about the garbage that DBSuper is we will have our remake.

  • Koibito888

    Except a new form is not. A new form can have any multiplier it wants. We don’t know what the multiplier is and so it can be anything and clearly for Berserk it’s huge.

  • Koibito888

    Lol except they didn’t just goof and accidentally show Krillin fighting Blue Goku they gave Krillin a power up and purposely showed that power up to be able to spar with Blue Goku and still lose, but spar with him.

    And whatever I’m talking about holding in Ki? Lol do you even watch enough Super to criticize it? That was literally the explanation they gave to God Ki when they first learned how to do it on their own in Whis’ staff which is what lead to them learning Blue. They established holding in your Ki and raising it to be what makes God Ki, if you’re going to criticize something then actually know what you’re talking about.

  • Leo LeiGto

    Berserker is not new. Kael is a copy of BROLY. It’s called LSS and it’s roughly as strong as SS2.

  • Leo LeiGto

    Bro. Fact is $hitty half baked explanations about Krillin fighting Goku while in SSB, even if Akira Toriyama himself, said those same words they are blasphemy and will never be cannon. So save your electricity and save Data on the internet because we all have enough fake news.

  • Koibito888

    A and B don’t matter, it does not matter where Krillin was before this power up. As for D, you’re right, his chances are nonexistant, did you watch the episode? Because 18 literally said that. And he also didn’t damage Goku in their fight, best he did was nearly ring out base Goku and could at least not be instantly outdone by SSJ with his new power up.

    Krillin can keep up with base Goku and nearly push him off but not really damage much, stand with SSJ and not be insta-stomped, and can spar with but has no chance against Blue.

    So in fact the exact way that you said it would make sense is exactly what happened I see no problem here.

  • Koibito888

    Too bad for you canon isn’t your decision and Super is canon so everything that happened was too, your saltiness doesn’t change that. So you can either go on whining about how Krillin can’t get stronger for no other reason than he’s Krillin (not a valid argument) and resorting to trying to sound quipy instead of providing actual points, OR you can try to actually use your brain, no skin off my back either way and either way still canon.

  • Koibito888

    That literally does not matter. Broly is non canon, it doesn’t matter what his power with LSSJ is, Kale’s Berserk is not to be held to a standard to something that did not happen in the canon of DBZ. And as for Broly him self he was busting stars at minimum, galaxies at most, and neither of those are the level of Cell Saga SSJ2’s so Broly’s power in of itself is inconsistent and not to be taken seriously, let alone be a standard for something in a completely separate canon.

    And what, broke potara because they finally gave a better explanation for Vegetto’s split than ‘bad air in Buu’s stomach’? Cry more jeez. Still just as powerful just with a time limit that Vegetto had already anyway, it effects nothing.

  • PurexedSolitude;

    Tired=no energy

  • PurexedSolitude;

    I doubt that it’s necessary to combine it with any of his forms, aside from base.

    I mean, we saw that Ultra Instinct easily overshadowed any of his other power ups.

    Though, it is instinct so I don’t think it’s impossible. He can integrate his instinct with Blue, possibly like he does with Kaioken.

  • actionmanrandell

    the universes in dragon ball are extremely small.

  • actionmanrandell

    you don’t understand the nature of ultra instinct. it allows him to constantly evolve himself. goku was in base mode when he was using ultra and it allowed him to match jiren and every second they fought Goku was one step closer to winning, jiren didn’t overpower ultra goku could only maintain ultra as long as he had a power source for his depleted body

  • actionmanrandell

    no strength isn’t involved at all. if it was than the lower number of populated plants would greatly raise their mortal level

  • Di

    you can be tired but still have energy left, thats how they recover

  • swiss

    i just watch this for the fights,(they are mostly forgettable) the only good ones was with black goku and zamasu after that
    everything is a mess,from story,power levels, heck i even hate goku now for willing to risk his own universe just for fighting on this damn tournament.

  • Saiyan Soul

    It was either Goku reminding Zeno of the tournament or watching as he and his universe was erased without any resistance.
    It’s not his fault nor does the blame lie on him, Vados even goes to the trouble of pointing it out.

  • Saiyan Soul

    It’s not that he’s drunk, he just has this preconceived notion going on in his head that the anime can’t do anything wrong.
    Super is hot garbage, enjoyable but garbage.

  • Ryumancer

    Plants aren’t “mortals”. -_-

    Mortals are humanoid sentient beings. Plants don’t fall into this category. Who even thinks plants would be involved?

    Secondly, part of development is being able to defend yourself and your loved ones so you can thrive, hence where strength comes in. Dragonball is ALL ABOUT strength. This tournament is called the Tournament of POWER, which is a test of STRENGTH. How do people not see this crap?

  • Ryumancer

    No they aren’t. Where are you getting this crap?

  • Jeff Linville

    Another power up for Kefla??? Goku has trained for YEARS and these two girls (who couldn’t even Super Saiyan a few episodes ago) are learning all his tricks in seconds

  • Leo LeiGto

    Its actually not cannon. Goku never said he was fighting anyone at 100% he is also very good at suppressing his key and matching his opponents strength. Goku as SSB can suppress his key enough to match a weak person like Krillin, Gohan, Roshi, Tien, Yamcha etc. That does not mean they are as strong as him or even near him in strength. good luck buddy.

  • Leo LeiGto

    Krillin has not had a power up. …. Lol. BRO.

  • Koibito888

    Ummm… Did you just miss the episode where Krillin learned to hold in his Ki and got a powerup off it or what?

  • Koibito888

    It’s not my decision but I’m not the one doing mental backflips trying to say Goku can get as weak as that. First off Goku can hold back but he can’t be weaker than SSJ or base form in Blue that doesn’t make any sense and God Ki is made by ‘holding in your Ki AND raising it’, actual quote, so if Goku lowered his power enough the God Ki would shut off he does not go from SSJ to Blue and gain the ability to be weaker than his prior forms.

    Even 1% of Blue Goku should be too strong this idea that Goku can weaken himself that much is a terrible excuse to not accept that other characters can get stronger.

    By the way none of this means that they are near him in strength and that was never my point, even with Krillin he like pushed Blue Goku’s kamehameha for a second to which Goku just exerted a bit of force and pushed it back easily, 18 said the power gap was something Krillin could do nothing about, he only got stronger to be able to spar with base Goku, survive against SSJ enough to make Goku go Blue, and then be able to clash without dying instantly with Blue but still be horridly outclassed. Krillin got stronger and he can do better against Goku but no he is not ‘near his full strength’ or anything so yeah, that was never the point and has little to do with what we’re actually talking about.

    So again, Krillin getting a power up through the same method as Goku and Vegeta did without going full God Ki, very much should skyrocket his power to base Goku and hanging with SSJ (held back SSJ but still) and then not insta die standing next to Blue, that is all perfectly reasonable. Doesn’t mean Krillin is near Blue Goku’s strength but no, Goku was not making himself weaker than SSJ and base form in Blue just to fight Krillin lol.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    I find it funny for those who still watch keep complaining about the plot and so on, when they should be use to its conditions.

  • Only When Vince McMahon Dies™

    Yeah exactly, plus the 4 universe who aren’t participating must have people stronger than Jiren so an Ultra Instinct with Blue will be insane

  • Leo LeiGto

    Beerus does it. Goku can do it too. When goku got out of the time chamber after cell he had to practice not breaking silver wear and stuff. no back-flips. Back-flips would be saying that KRILIN has achieved greater power than Vegeta did in the hyperbolic time chamber in a couple of days you. lol.

  • Leo LeiGto

    Bro dont go writing fake bibles. Kaioken is not like UI. SS is not like UI. Whis basically explains UI in the beginning of the show. its literally ULTRA instinct. we dont know if you can super saiyan while in it or if it will be more of a “you unlocked your hidden potential all the way” type of thing.

    Kaioken exponentially increases the persons energy. we dont know what UI does yet …

  • SAB

    He basically gave a hope for U7 to survive. If it weren’t for the ToP, all lower ranked universes (in terms of mortal level) would’ve been eliminated just like that.

  • SAB

    They turned it into a kid’s… no a toddler’s show and so decided to have more colors.

  • Leo LeiGto

    That’s not a significant powerup. Lol. Krilin ki control < every other character. Trying to make krillin relevant is like saying Yamcha is back and he's learned to control his ki now. He's still reaaaaaaaly weak compared to any fighter. Krilin< cabba < picollo < gohan < vegeta …

  • Leo LeiGto

    Say your starving and DBZ was your delicious thanksgiving feast. Now every week you watch TV you expect the same delicious feast but get Filler garbage and crap animations and a crap storyline with no plot… we are starving will watch anything that has dragon ball in it and will complain as we eat it since we know it could be so much better. 🙂 that’s why people complain. Dbs sucks. And we want it better.

  • Leo LeiGto

    Yea… goku is basically training her though. Shes not a real threat.

  • SAB

    Plants sure are mortals. ToP is a test of strength, but it was only a request made by Goku and has absolutely no relation to mortal level except that the winning universe gets to survive.
    Elimination of low mortal universes was a thing which would have happened whether or not ToP happened. Only the low mortal-level universes are participating because they are the ones for which winning is the only way for not getting wiped out by Zeno.
    Besides, what makes you think strength is a factor? That’ll only add more questions such as, whose strength?
    LMAO “Dragonball is ALL ABOUT strength” does not mean every word you come across in Dragonball only means strength.

  • SAB

    U6 technically also has only 3 fighters since the potara fusion won’t be undone until the end of the ToP. Nevertheless, I too think U2 will be the one eliminated since it is right after that Androids’ battle.

  • Koibito888

    Except Krillin got that power up and immediately fought Goku and the above events happened so I don’t know what you’re on about.

  • Koibito888

    Obviously it doesn’t do what Kaioken does I didn’t say that.

    I said it’s just like Kaioken where it is a technique and not a transformation. Whis explained it as a technique.

    And we know what UI does it’s a reaction/speed boost, it’s moving without thinking, it’s what Whis explained.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    I’m not going to say super sucks cause I don’t invest in it, but ppl should know DB has never been the one to follow on its own laws and rarely use good animati9n

  • Koibito888

    Yeah Beerus does it untransformed, without power ups multiplying their base power.

    No, I’m saying Krillin accomplished a much lesser version of a technique in a whole adventure or whatever, that Goku and Vegeta learned a much better version of that they gained in a matter of minutes.

  • Silver King

    Not plot holes but an inconsistency

  • Silver King

    Koibito is right. Thanks to the power of plot convenience and infinite ass pull Kafla can defeat Blue.

  • Silver King

    I thought they were cool at first, but their plot convenience and ass pulls ruined them for me.

  • Silver King

    Jiren wasn’t taking any damage at all when fighting UI Goku and was able to tank the last punch with no difficulties.

  • Silver King

    Jiren took that last punch from UI.

  • SAB

    Goku managed to land one punch on Jiren though. The one that struck Jiren’s gut.

  • Ryumancer

    Without strength, the ToP wouldn’t even be a thing. And the rankings would make less sense. They said more than once that the “weakest” universes get erased. “Weak” is an adjective that is used to describe “strength”, or lack thereof. I HOPE you knew that one.

    Even if strength were not one of the biggest factors, it is still a factor regardless. Saying it isn’t goes against what Dragonball is in general.

  • Ryumancer

    He’s on about crying himself to sleep and jacking himself off in the corner like any other brainless troll with his low IQ does. Don’t pay him much mind. -_-

  • dbz

    goku landed a few hits when fighting jiren in ultra instinct the only reason jiren tanked that last punch was because goku ran out of the transformation

  • dbz

    I doubt it jiren blocked that last punch because goku ran out of that transformation

  • Leo LeiGto

    Your body moving independently is not much of a technique… its Instinct. Techniques are used to achieve this end goal of awareness but it’s supposed to be innate. therefore it is nothing like kaioken or Kamehameha which are both techniques. its Ultra Instinct. not a technique. lets not complicate this.

  • Leo LeiGto

    Fake. Krillin has not powerd up much. his power level is still around maybe 20k-40k . Not bad for an earthling. lol.

  • Leo LeiGto

    Lel. i dont know what your on about. Krillin is not strong. 😀

  • Leo LeiGto

    Lol. Not sure what you mean as DBZ is pretty straight forward. As far as the animation.. DBS has crappy animation but DBZ and the movies have pretty consistent animation. Dragon Ball is a different story as it is not DBZ. Dragon ball is from 1986-1989… So if your talking about that yea the animation is crappy. DBZ got a lot better from 1989- 1996… and then there is super. they cant even make good fighting scenes because they are trying to turn DBS into a naruto filler cash cow. 1 episode of action 20 of filler, 1 episode of…. 20 filler… so on. Dragon Ball Z followed its path consistently… Train, get stronger, learn new things, fight bad guys, get beat, train some more, get new power up… if that’s not consistent i dont know what is.

  • Koibito888

    Learning to move in a specific way in a specific state of mind that one is meant to learn and master. It’s a technique. DBZ has forms and techniques and that’s about it – complicating it is trying to come up with some new definition for it.

  • Koibito888

    Lol using power levels, now I know you’re a troll.

    Also 18 specifically said Goku Blue was at the time much higher power than Krillin so there’s your proof Goku wasn’t ‘holding back to Krillin’s level’ as if that made any sense.

  • Koibito888

    Oh the anime can do wrong, Zamasu’s time loop proves that, powerscaling is just something that isn’t being done incorrectly.

    Preconceived notions is doing mental backflips to come up with any excuse to not believe characters can get stronger based solely on it being that character and nothing else.

  • Saiyan Soul

    >Preconceived notions is doing mental backflips to come up with any excuse

    That describes you perfectly.

  • Koibito888

    Actually it perfectly describes what I described already.

    I see Krillin gain a power up based on holding in his Ki.

    I see Krillin now suddenly being a lot stronger.

    I remember that Goku and Vegeta getting God Ki was explained exactly as holding their Ki in.

    2+2=4 here

    A mental backflip is seeing this, not taking it at face value, and trying to come up with some reason as to how Goku is lowering himself to Krillin’s level.

  • SAB

    Of course the weakest universes will be erased now that they are participating in the ToP for survival. ToP is about strength, I agree but NOT mortal level. ToP is not related to the mortal level and so is strength. Of course the rankings don’t make sense if you apply them to the the ToP itself.
    Mortal level was only used to decide whether or not a universe must participate in the ToP but not the outcome of the ToP.
    Simply put: ToP = strength, ToP ≠ ML and STRENGTH ≠ ML. (think of = as more of a “relation” than the mathematical “equals to”)

  • Leo LeiGto

    Technique – a way of carrying out a particular task, especially the execution or performance of an artistic work or a scientific procedure….skill or ability in a particular field.

    Instinct – an innate, typically fixed pattern of behavior.

    Saying instinct is a technique is false lol. looks like dictionary simplifies things. Strange.

  • Silver King

    The power from the transformation was still there, hence the explosion and Jiren have to active his ki to tank it.

  • Saiyan Soul

    Whatever floats your headcanon, my man ¯_(ツ)_/¯

  • Anthony_weaver86

    I’m talking about DB laws in general and it’s conditions,

  • Koibito888

    On screen facts do, yes.

  • Koibito888

    “They are not trying to cultivate a skill”

    Except they are, that is why Whis has to teach them this and why it is something to be ‘mastered’. It is a skill, it is a way of movement that Whis intended to teach them. It is not an innate power inside of them to be awoken it is a way of movement that increases their speed as Whis exactly described.

  • Koibito888

    Because he’s basically teaching them his tricks

  • Leo LeiGto

    It does not increase speed. It will make them react faster, instinctively. But it is not a speed increase. It allows for them to bypass communication from their brain to said body part ergo instinct. Whis did not say power up speed technique. That’s fake news. He said your body parts will move freely without having to think about it. Hence instinct. Ultra because god level needed to be able to tap into this potential that all fighters/ beings have but few reach it.

  • Koibito888

    “You two are still thinking with your heads to move” “Doing so puts a limit on your SPEED” “You just have to have each area of your body think and move on it’s own, but that is very difficult. Not even Beerus has completely mastered it.”

    So yeah, Whis literally said that not doing this puts a limit on your speed, ergo doing so removes that limit. The speed increases from where it was limited. It is a speed increase. It is something that Beerus has to master and that is difficult to learn to do this. Nothing has described it as an innate ability within to be awoken normally other than the name being ‘Instinct’ – everything else has described it otherwise so just going ‘oh well Instinct means this so that’s how the form works’ doesn’t cut it.

    It in specifically a way of moving and thinking that one has to learn to accomplish, something Whis can teach, and something to be mastered, to accomplish removing said limit on ones speed. This is exactly how Whis described it.

  • Leo LeiGto

    Lol. Nothing but the name huehuehuehue. Don’t make it more complicated then it has to be buddy. Toriyama is not a genius. Ultra instinct is just ULTRA Instinct. its not a technique, its not a skill. It’s Ultra Instinct. Get a bigger cookie cutter. maybe it will cut it.

  • anonymous

    You are drawing conclusions from the anime and you are correct in that the fusion is stronger than buu saga vegito. However I am assuming that the plot is poorly written right from the beginning of RoF arc, and then as @disqus_8ikkvAeL7Z:disqus mentioned, due to infinite ass pull Kafla can defeat ssb.

  • SOLOmio

    there was odin’s death and warriors three

  • Blocked

    UI is basically a buff like Kaioken

  • KDG

    What power up might that be?

  • SAB

    It is in the summary for episode 116. We don’t know yet what that power up is.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Yes but there was no emotion with there lost, just jokes

  • SOLOmio

    there was but in short bursts, since the last two was mostly emotion!
    thor 1: lost his hammer, daddy issues, brother issues, being worthy
    thor 2 dark world: malekith issues, daddy issues, brother issues, girlfriend issues.
    they could have done it again, but i guess they got tired of emotional and went for fun instead. I mean finding out hela is your sister and the original holder of mijlonir and that your father was an warmonger, could,v been elaborated a bit. But nevertheless it was good.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Yeah it was a good film, but now I cannot wait for Black Panther

  • Meliodas

    Finally, some screen time for 17 and 18. 17 must finish in the top 3 of the U7 warrior but it will probably be Gohan as the third

  • Meliodas

    Finally someone understand. Right now, Goku is thinking about training to beat Jiren and the saiyan girl are the perfect training partners. The stronger Goku push these girls, the further he can go.

  • Meliodas

    We don’t know the girls age except that the are older than Cabba. As Saiyan, they can be 40+ and still look like 20 similar to Goku and Vegeta,

  • Paul Watson

    lol Its Probably SSJ3, The Form They’ve Been Trying To Get. Also, Caulifla’s Been Able To Go SSJ For Over 10 Episodes, Since She Was Introduced Basically, She Just Couldn’t Willingly Go SSJ2. Same For Kale And Her Berserker Form, She Just Couldn’t Control It Until During The Tournament.

  • ®CodeBreaker™

    Exactly! Along with Saiyans becoming stronger as they fight. Everyone is thinking of them as these 2 new girls with no experience. They should be thinking of them as Saiyans. Saiyans who exceed expectations and limitations. It’s always been like that. Nothing new there. lol

  • s̶ᴡ̇ᴀ̦͑͂ɢ͠ᴀ̙ᴍ̧ᴏ̩̫͛ᴛ͓͔̫ᴏ͂

    well it’s fusion

  • Paul Watson

    The People Who Say Its Bullshit How They’re Strong Are Just Dumb, lol. They’re Trying To Think Of Them As Saiyan Saga Level Warriors, But They Aren’t, lol.