Dragon Ball Super: Universe Survival Saga Until March 2018, Future of Series

Posted on November 4, 2017

The Tournament of Power officially kicked off back on July 1, 2017 with episode 97 of Dragon Ball Super. In Dragon Ball time the tournament was to last 48 minutes. Sixteen episodes and six weeks or so later with the current episode 113, there are still 22 minutes in Dragon Ball time left in this fight to survive.

However, the Universe Survival Saga – which the Tournament of Power is a part of – began with Dragon Ball Super episode 77 back on February 5, 2017.

Misión Tokyo, a Spanish anime website, recently had the opportunity to talk with Kimitoshi Chioka (the first director of Dragon Ball Super) and Hiroyuki Sakurada (the current producer of Dragon Ball Super) at the Salón del Manga convention in Barcelona, Spain. There it was revealed the Universe Survival Saga will run through March 2018. March 2018, is four months away. Figuring in holidays and including this weeks episodes, that means there are AT LEAST fifteen more episodes to go meaning in real world time. There have been rumors that the series is coming to an end after the Universe Survival Saga and that’s just not true according to the two men. According to Sakurada-san and Chioka-san, the Universe Survival Saga is just heating up!

Akira Toriyama, the original creator of Dragon Ball, has something in mind to continue the Dragon Ball Super story so it’s not clear when the series will end. Dragon Ball Super is covering the 10 year gap between the fight with Kid Buu and final episodes of Dragon Ball Z with the 28th World Martial Arts Tournament. Although it seems like Dragon Ball Super is appropriately connecting the points in that 10-year gap, Sakurada-san and Chioka-san say that it has not been decided if the end of Dragon Ball Super will connect with the end of Dragon Ball Z as Toriyama-sensei has not yet decided on Super’s end yet.

More announcements related to Dragon Ball Super are expected later this year. Stay tuned to Saiyan Island for more. You can take a look at the video recorded part of the interview, conducted in Spanish and Japanese with a translator, below.

  • BIGsoch

    NAMEK DO YOU SPEAK IT?!

  • Navok76

    No comment

  • Oh, this is just THE best news! Looks like the 10 year gap will actually last 10 years!! Dragon Ball forever!!!

  • ShonenJump

    You dropping the anime wont stop the succes its having in Japan right now. Lol!

  • Navok76

    I don’t fuccking care if it’s a successful series in japan and the director for this anime is rettarded as hell

  • Christopher Cannon Jr.

    Best to stick with reading the manga version, at least Toyatarou knows what the hell he’s doing, with Toriyama by side.

  • Jordan O’Hagan

    I think it would be cool if Goku got an invitation to train in another universe, then went to fight in the universe 7 budokai for old times’ sake and recognizes Uub, whom he then decides to take with him on a trans-universal training campaign. That would give Toriyama/Toyotaro a nice clean opening to continue the series by taking Goku and friends on a tour of all the universes, trying out food and testing adversaries across every reality.

    Also, really? six month for a 40 minute battle? Really? -___-

  • Datguy

    I think they should just connect the Dragonball Z series ending right after this universe arc, and then continue past it with Uub.

  • Brother Nero

    By January both miz califa and broly 2.0 will have got SS blue. In March Zeno will make them both god of destruction thus making db super more successful lmao.

  • manoahvdvelde

    II’m guessing somethings will happen after those 22 minutes ;P

  • ®CodeBreaker™

    Then stop watching it NOW. No one is stopping you. lol If you are one of the people who keeps watching it every week just to complain about it, you’re a dumbass. ^_^

  • dbz

    it would be cool if we get to see uub in dragon ball super that fight was epic and who knows they might even turn him into GT goku

  • SuperUltramagnus

    I want a future of dbz like gt! Written by the creator! If they do a full mini episode on the future of what the future holds like gt then yes please!! Impersonal hate Super! Worse series so far I like gt better! THEY should of kept on going with ss 4, 5,6 and so on!

  • SuperUltramagnus

    Agree or like a future storyline too

  • SuperUltramagnus

    True they don’t care in usa though or rest of the world

  • kingfirejet

    Maybe if Toriyama actually reread his manga, he could actually fill the plot holes instead of making more ass pulls.

  • Saiyan Soul

    What asspull?

  • dbz

    yeah that would be great

  • Raftleon

    can someone explain to me what goku meant by caulifa could go beyond ssj3 and how exactly is a worn out goku actually recovering ki while fighting?

    i know he’s a genius and all but come on how does that make sense.
    (was it something frieza did?)

  • Meta Ridley

    Already there with Dragonball Online, written by Toriyama. The Second Future version of his manga besides gt

  • Johnathan Lenig-Lopez

    Super Saiyan 4, maybe?

  • Johnathan Lenig-Lopez

    They’re trying to top the legendary 8 hour’s for 5 minutes rep they have

  • Trainwreck

    and the success of this anime in Japan won’t stop people from dropping it.
    It also won’t stop HIV, rain, time or sun stroke…

    But all this goes without saying. #Uselessly_Obvious_Statements.

  • ShonenJump

    Its about the anime. Not sickness? Fail

  • ShonenJump

    And it was a joke hence the lol. Taking it serious? Go outside

  • Trainwreck

    I’ll respond to your jokes in whatever manner I see fit buddy, if that bothers you then feel free to take your own advice, or do whatever else that you want.

  • Trainwreck

    If you thought my post was about sickness then the only thing failing here is your reading comprehension.

  • jshep23

    SS Blue….obviously. Because he is a Sayian and is recovering his stamina in his base form. Technically, he can even be in Super Saiyan and recover his stamina too because he and Gohan stayed in that form so longer preparing for Cell that it could be used as a form all the time without using energy

  • Edgaras Mugenis

    the best outcome would be gt universe destroyed but evil energy getting absorbed infact all hatred and regret evil and other stuff
    So the story should go beyond universes destructions
    and only one universe gather all

  • Raftleon

    it can’t.

    the subs i read goku stated he can’t help them go blue but ssj3 instead.

    people speculate (before the subs release) that by going ssg he’ll heal some what.
    (because lol ssg is having trouble with the fusion in her base)

  • Raftleon

    that’s not canon tho (that would be cool if it was)

    apparently kale gets another form that goku calls “legendary ssj”…… the art work looked like classic dbz as well.

  • Raftleon

    wow… those ladies are quite powerful but is it true U6 saiyans are stronger like alot of fans say?

    because that base fusion and lssj kale seem to be attracting jirens attention.

  • KDG

    It’s not so much that Universe 6 Saiyans are stronger, but rather they have evolved further than the Saiyans of Universe 7, to the point where not only are they no longer born with tails, but also they don’t have to necessarily rely on rage to achieve new Super Saiyan forms. Most people seem to have a problem accepting this for some reason.

  • AsurasPath22

    My God, all the asspulls in this series. I wonder if they would achieve SSB lol.

  • Mugetsu a’k’a SS4 Gohan

    I love Kale and Caulifla. There, I said it. Come at me (ง’̀-‘́)ง

  • KDG

    What ass-pull might that be this time?

  • KDG

    48 minutes of extremely powerful fighters – many of which transcend even the power and speed of gods – taking six months to complete doesn’t sound all that unreasonable. Goku and Vegeta were many times faster than light when they were at their very weakest in the beginning of DBZ, and now they are exponentially faster. A 48 minute battle royale wouldn’t make sense if it were executed in real time, or anything closely resembling real time. I actually like that each episode has equated to one minute in the tournament. It only makes sense; these are the most powerful warriors in all of existence gathered to do battle for their survival.

  • KDG

    Story-wise Dragon Ball Z wasn’t much better than Super, if at all. It was overrun with plot-holes – many of which were obvious – retcons, lack of character development, lack of villain motivation and development, and so many more problems. If you went into watching Dragon Ball Super with any expectations that it was going to be spectacular, well-written, well-directed, or anything of the sort it’s your fault that you’re seemingly disappointed week after week for setting high expectations for the continuation of a series that was technically always mediocre, with an author who habitually forgot the rules, laws, and characters of a universe he himself imagined and illustrated.

  • KDG

    That Solar Flare was the perfect opportunity for Goku to break Caulifla’s face as she flew toward him at top speed with no type of defense. He really dropped the ball on that one.

  • hankosanko

    a load of bullshit

  • John von Shepard

    Omg can DBS just end already?

  • Sakura Haruno

    The Great Priest isn’t who they think he is.(EVIL, new main villain)

  • dbz

    caulifla and kale fused into kelfa that was great and in preview 115 it looks like goku goes ssblue they must be strong if goku couldn’t win in ssgod

  • SuperUltramagnus

    They need to finish by beg of Dec. This will be the longest db Sega ever! Wish they move oases it please !

  • uhMayzedHD

    So Toei is pulling a One Piece with the DB series.

  • Ahtma

    It’ll come close but Namek will still be longer if it ends in March.

  • Johnathan Lenig-Lopez

    Well, it’s not non-canon either… I mean, GT obviously was, but there nothing in canon to say a SSJ4 is impossible.

  • PurexedSolitude;

    Fusion I’m guessing.

  • Most have a problem with it cause its not explained very well in the series after U6 and onward, and most have forgotten while DBS fails to remind us viewers, you can see where we’re coming from when cabba and hit, good characters from U6 get the boot while kale and caulifla, who have been on the sidelines this whole tournament till now suddenly get boosts

  • Ryumancer

    I’d say more a Bleach than a One Piece. DB has a LONG way to go before having the amount of episodes equal to OP.

  • Ryumancer

    Huh…growing up I thought the Android Saga was the longest.

  • Ryumancer

    Episode 114 had AWESOME animation. It actually felt like I was watching good ol’ DBZ.

  • Gray Fullbuster

    A new warrior is born (wounds probably will go back) so kefla is completely different i see it myself as they sacrificing their existence for one hour to summon a new fighter but then again technically speaking that would make kefla the 11th warrior

  • Gray Fullbuster

    Why did Goku never have Blue before?
    Why didnt Goku have SSJ before he had it?

    The obvious answer why she never had SSJ is simply because she never needed it.
    Why would she trigger SSJ when she lives in a somewhat peaceful world?
    Saiyan Society is perfectly fine and thriving in U6.
    U7 on the other hand was terrorized by Frieza.
    They HAD to defend themselves.
    And thats why Goku became a Super Saiyan.

    U6 Saiyans simply were never in the situation where they needed it.

  • ShonenJump

    My comment bothered you lol. #Salty

  • ShonenJump

    Why bring something serious up? You dont know what lol means.

  • ShonenJump

    And you’re comments you probably dont socialize. and from you’re comments history you are a complete retard. Instant block

  • Nori Hiraoka

    bury it consider it mercy

  • ShonenJump

    (claps) here get my like 🙂

  • ShonenJump

    Z had a weird pacing in the series unlike the original dragonball :O

  • jav253

    Yeah battle with Frieza on Namek took forever in the Anime. I do wonder how we still have enough material for 15 episodes in the tournament though. Most all the big fighters are knocked out already. We got Toppo, and Kafla, and then it’s nothing besides Jiren. Must be a twist incoming.

  • Trainwreck

    Feel to free believe whatever you want.

  • Trainwreck

    and apparently I was the salty one… #Irony

  • Trainwreck

    Why ask a question after getting butthurt and blocking me? It’s not like you’d be able to read my response.

  • uhMayzedHD

    I’m not talking about how many episodes. I talking about dragging on episode to reach that 20m mark while nothing barely happen in the episodes with what One Piece is famous for.

    I honestly believe this arc had about like 10 episode left.
    So the long power up might make a return idk how they make this arc last tell March.

  • Ahtma

    If Androids encompasses the arrival of Future Trunks all the way to Cell’s defeat Namek is still a little bit longer.

  • KDG

    There are many factors that the people who have a problem with Caulifla and Kale do not take into consideration when making their arguments against the two female Saiyans easily obtaining new forms. One of these factors is that they have existed all of this time. In other words, while they are new characters in the story, the fact is they have existed in their universe, unbeknownst to any of us, and have obviously experienced fierce battles and training. The fact that Caulifla and Kale are capable of standing against someone like Goku of all people is testament to this, just as Cabba was powerful enough to give Vegeta a decent fight. Just because they had no previous knowledge of the Super Saiyan form does not necessarily mean they should have any real difficulty obtaining it when their base power levels are far beyond the minimum required.

    Another thing I see most people complain about in regards to Caulifla and Kale was their method for achieving Super Saiyan – the “tingly back” feeling. While it’s understandable that people might consider this an “ass-pull” or retcon of sorts due to the previous understanding that Super Saiyan is achieved through extreme anger or rage, the truth of the matter is up until Dragon Ball Super, there has only been Goku’s experience to go on. Vegeta initially stated that a Super Saiyan only emerges once every thousand years. For the sake of argument, let’s say that this has been the case up until Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, etc. all achieved Super Saiyan within three – four years of one another. This would mean that Vegeta, and really any other Saiyan would have no clue as to what goes into transforming into a Super Saiyan other than having extraordinarily high power levels in comparison to your typical Saiyan. So with only Goku’s word to go off, naturally there would be no other way of knowing whether or not Super Saiyan can be achieved any other way than just rage. That does not necessarily mean that rage is the ONLY trigger, but rather the only KNOWN trigger. And given that Goku was so overcome by rage and hatred toward Frieza after having just witnessed with his own eyes the murder of his best friend, it’s understandable that the only thing Goku would remember from that very moment would be the overwhelming anger he felt at the time, as opposed to where he had instinctively focused all of his power (at a point in his back obviously) during the transformation.

    So while many people may have an issue with Caulifla and Kale, and feel that they achieved Super Saiyan too easily in comparison to the previous transformations we witnessed from the main Saiyan cast of Universe 7, or that the power they are capable of displaying is some sort of “ass-pull”, the truth is all of what they are capable of is plausible and understandable if you actually give it some rational thought, and not just rant about the hardships Goku went through to get where he is.

  • Ryumancer

    I thought Namek was split into “Namek Saga” and then “Frieza Saga”.

  • Ryumancer

    Ten episodes is ten weeks, that would reach January of next year. March isn’t really that far from that if you think about it. But I get what you mean.

    Long power ups are a DB stable. lol

  • KDG

    The way I see it, Namek is split into three sub-sagas: Namek, Ginyu, Frieza. But ultimately it is split into Namek Saga and Frieza Saga.

  • KDG

    With or without long power ups, I’d imagine the final fight against Jiren will span several episodes because he is ridiculously powerful, even in comparison to most of the fighters in the tournament. My only problem with the Tournament of Power so far is that the love whale (Ribrianne) is still running around on the fighting stage when someone should have tossed her fat ass out by now.

  • KDG

    Well that’s silly. Potara Fusion is no ass-pull. We have seen Vegito twice between Z and Super, as well as a fusion of Zamasu and Black Zamasu. And we know every universe has gods and Kais, and the Kais have Potara earrings. I’d love to know why he feels Kefla is an ass-pull.

  • uhMayzedHD

    In Z but in Kai they cut all that out it much shorter then it use to be.

  • uhMayzedHD

    I was expecting their fight to be 2-3 episode long. I really don’t want a big fight last that long because Super isn’t done so I can’t Marthon thoses fight episodes.

  • KDG

    Alternatively I believe that the Universe 6 Saiyans never had Super Saiyan, or even knew what Super Saiyan was, not so much because they never needed it but rather because they weren’t as brutally violent as the Saiyans of Universe 7 and did not have a vicious, seemingly all-powerful tyrant terrorizing them.

    The Saiyans of Universe 7 were primitive brutes who loved to do battle and kill. The Saiyans of Universe 6 are more advanced, and fight to defend the weak rather than to destroy. As such, Planet Vegeta’s Saiyans were seen as efficient killing machines and enslaved by Frieza. I believe this is the reason Saiyans continuously spread the legend of the Super Saiyan, to keep their hopes up that eventually one of them (likely Vegeta) would rise up and overthrow Frieza, setting them all free. Otherwise the legend of the Super Saiyan might have been completely lost to time, especially considering that prior to Goku’s ascension, only one Super Saiyan would emerge every thousand years. On the other hand, Planet Sadal had no reason to remember or spread such a legend, as they were mostly a peaceful people who had no real pursuit of power. They were not slaves, nor space pirates. Thus there was no reason for them to even know about their hidden potential until they met their Planet Vegeta counterparts who had no choice but to awaken Super Saiyan and every succeeding form.

  • KDG

    I wouldn’t expect their fight to be 2-3 episodes. Just temporarily obtaining Ultra Instinct alone took a two-episode special. If Jiren, a fighter so powerful it transcends even that of a God of Destruction, can be taken down in 2-3 episodes, I will be extremely disappointed in this series. I don’t expect it to be anywhere on the length scale of, say, Goku vs. Frieza, but if it’s not at least somewhere as long as Super Saiyan 2 Gohan vs. Cell, then Jiren was overhyped since the very beginning of this arc for absolutely nothing.

  • Only When Vince McMahon Dies™

    Ribrienne lol

  • Only When Vince McMahon Dies™

    Probably hates Caulifla

  • Edgaras Mugenis

    If you rewatch all super episodes at once in two three days you find it short not long power ups
    I mean now you think it’s long power up but did you watch all the way from the beggining dragonball is FUN
    It’s only long because its one episode per week and we want to see it all
    So have patients and enjoy…….reruns Haaa HaHa Ha

  • I’m not ranting about the hardships, todays latest episode basically confirmed them to be fairy tail characters for me now, kale goes rage mode in super saiyan form going to crush everything again, but gets freed from it with talk no jutsu and fairy tailish style dialogue. Also couldnt take her power up seriously cause that face she made killed me, made me laugh of cringe so hard I fell out of my chair. Also “why didnt you let sis hit you goku!?” UM ITS A FIGHT?!

  • Raftleon

    lol that’s kinda what i meant. i mean GT was not canon but ssj4 itself is but fans don’t want it to appear any where else in the series for some reason XD.

  • uhMayzedHD

    How long this arc is anything possible now.
    It going suck when people got to the next part that fight next week or they do the same thing when Goku vs Jiren

  • Raftleon

    dang… you go though so much detail to make your point.. while i can’t lol.

    but what you said and the latest episode pretty much confirms that, and goku himself also did it, the “swelling/boiling” of power thing. to be honest I’m cool with that having other triggers other than rage was definitely needed for the series.
    (also was that the case for goten and trunks too?)

  • AsurasPath22

    I figured you would be a bit smarter. This creates a bigger inconsistency because Kefla can overpower SSG Goku, who once wanted to fuse with Vegeta to fight Beerus. Kefla being able to speed past Goku like that was poor writing. Do the math bud.

  • AsurasPath22

    That too. They are both sucky characters

  • KDG

    Considering how Vegito utterly outclassed Buu during their bout, I don’t see how you could be even slightly surprised that the fused power of Caulifla and Kale, whom prior to fusion were able to push Goku to a point he had to transform into a Super Saiyan God just to get a leg up in their battle, would be able to outclass Goku. If anything, their current power is entirely consistent with what we’ve seen of Potara Fusion so far.

  • KDG

    Well it remains unknown as to what brought about Trunks’ initial Super Saiyan transformation. For Goten, apparently it was anger/rage from Chi-chi kicking him into a tree during one of their training sessions. As for whether or not either of them were born with tails, that also remains a mystery to this day. Many have speculated that they were born without tails, but there really is no way of knowing.

    While so many people have an issue with Caulifla and Kale so easily obtaining Super Saiyan, they should have been questioning someone like Goten being a Super Saiyan for several reasons: his ki-control was so non-existent that he couldn’t even fly or control the direction of his ki blasts, yet was able to control his ki well enough to transform at will and even sustain Super Saiyan, by all logic he should be weaker than Yamcha as the only person who trained him up until the World Tournament he trained with Gohan for was Chi-chi who is in fact weaker than Yamcha, and being kicked into a tree by his weak human mother should not have induced the level of rage necessary for transforming into a Super Saiyan.

  • KDG

    I didn’t mean you in particular. It was more a generalization. I know of your issues with Caulifla and Kale, and I can respect that even if I don’t agree. I’m a little surprised at how quickly Kale learned to control her rage to avoid going berserk, but the world of entertainment has taught me that sometimes those dearest to a character can sometimes bring them back from all sorts of similar situations, like in Yu Yu Hakusho when Yomi was nearly knocked unconscious by Yusuke but snapped out of it immediately when he heard his son’s voice, or in the new season of The Flash when Barry returns from the Speed Force with no memory, but instantly recovers it all the moment he realizes Iris is in danger. As for that stupid line from Kale, admittedly she’s an idiot but I just look at it as she’s an extremely immature and insecure little girl whose only real care in the world is Caulifla. With her obsession and devotion to Caulifla, Kale is one of those characters I don’t take seriously and have developed no real opinion toward. But I think Caulifla is awesome.

  • AsurasPath22

    Nah, considering that Goku pretty much said that Vegito won’t work on Beerus back then kind of makes your point irrelevant. The constituency is horrible, unless you can prove me wrong. The fact that Kelfa can even keep up with Goku is stupid at best. Kefla should still be weaker than Vegito. So like it or not, this is horrible writing.

  • AsurasPath22

    Wrong, you do have a few points, but they are lacking. You have a saiyan like Cabba who experienced rage and became Super Saiyan. Kale and Caulifla are no different. The problem here is that the series was not forseen to go this long. They also most likely wanted to make Vegeta a mentor to Cabba, so they made it to look like Cabba did not know SS. Kale and Caulifla’s only hope to get by was to forcefully make them have high amounts of potential, in reality this is bad writing and it can be seen throughout the series, plain and simple. Achieving SS1 to 2 in a few hours shows how badly written the series is.

  • KDG

    The Dragon Ball franchise in general is plagued by bad writing. That said, though, I don’t consider Caulifla achieving Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2 in a few hours to be bad writing only because her base power is far beyond what is required for achieving either one of those forms. As for them having extremely high potential, what would one expect from warriors who were chosen among the most powerful of their entire universe, in order to fight in a tournament where the losing universes will effectively cease to exist? I wouldn’t imagine Cabba would go looking for some bottom of the barrel Saiyans to fight in a tournament with literally the highest of stakes. As for Cabba needing to rely on rage to become a Super Saiyan, let’s be fair here: he was being guided by Vegeta who only knows rage to be a key ingredient for transforming. And considering Cabba’s rage came from being threatened by Vegeta – as opposed to watching his best friend be murdered (Goku) or swelling up with overwhelming anger at a disappointment in his own inability to become a Super Saiyan (Vegeta) – I could see where the experience wouldn’t be too overwhelming for Cabba to where he could actually describe the feeling he got when transforming to Caulifla. I get where you’re coming from, but I can’t fully agree with your point of view because I find most of this plausible.

  • KDG

    Correct, Kefla should be weaker than Vegito. Where exactly are you getting that she’s not? She sped past Super Saiyan God Goku. Goku is not as powerful as Vegito. So if she outclasses Goku – which is completely understandable since they were already giving Goku a run for his money pre-fusion – this does not mean she is more powerful than Vegito. Whether or not Vegito would work against Beerus has no bearing on whether or not Kefla is stronger than Goku. I watched Vegito completely outclass the most powerful form of Super Buu without even becoming a Super Saiyan. So why shouldn’t the Potara Fusion of Kefla be stronger than Goku?

    Caulifla’s base power is already comparable to Goku’s. Weaker, but comparable. With Kale’s almost limitless well of power being added to the equation, along with the apparently huge power multiplier that comes with Potara Fusion, it makes perfect sense that someone who can actually go toe-to-toe with base Goku could overpower him when fused with another warrior of comparable strength. Whether or not Vegito could overpower Beerus shouldn’t even be a factor in this.

  • KDG

    I suppose you could always stop watching it, which would effectively end it for you. Believe it or not, you do in fact have options. 😉

  • Ahtma

    That’s down to the individual person imo. The fight with Frieza takes place on Namek so I naturally count it as a part of Namek.

  • Seventh

    Idk if your serious or not but God Goku rn is severly weakened, he isn’t anywhere near full power.

  • Ryumancer

    True, but abuse of cinematic time in general is still rampant. 5 minutes in their time is apparently 5 or 6 whole episodes at the very least in our time.

  • Yeah, when frieza was about to jump in and goku stopped him I was like “Goku, are you tired or not? Let frieza handle this and sit your monkey saiyan ass down, so we can get rid of these two please.” Wanted to smack goku so hard for that lmao

  • Drew Landis

    People being like “there’s barely any fighters left”. There was a deliberate disctinction made between the Tournament of Power ARC and the Universe Survival SAGA. The Tournament of Power probably won’t last until March. But the Saga within which it is contained will. You can have multiple arcs to a saga.

  • AKDragonPC

    Yeah! the art looked so much like DBZ! I cannot believe it’s taken 114 episodes for Goku to be drawn correctly. But still don’t change the fact that imo Super sucks so bad compared to DBZ; slowly but surely DBS is getting more like OP pacing, its tragic.

  • Ryumancer

    Well yeah, DBS doesn’t compare to DBZ. Still better than GT though. And I wouldn’t go THAT far to say DBS pacing is starting to be like One Piece. Dragonball has much simpler plot, hence there’s nowhere near as much “filler” and “slice of life” to exhaust for the pacing.

  • AKDragonPC

    Indeed Super > GT for sure. I prefer the manga over the DBS anime. However unlikely, I really hope they re-animate DBS to follow the manga like FMA: Brotherhood in the future; I would consider that the true successor to DBZ.

  • Ryumancer

    I would disagree on the manga being the superior depiction of DBS. The anime has superior character development and the SSB Kaioken is quite a bit more epic than just using SSG or some pseudo-mastered SSB. There may not be as many asspulls in the manga but it fails to deliver at the climax of several plots.

    I’d pick the anime easily.

  • Leo LeiGto

    DBS is not good. The manga is the successor to DBZ. The pacing is also horrid in DBsuper. It does not work to focus most of the time on characters like Pilaf, Gohan, Trunks, Goten, Piccolo, Krillin, the androids… (unless they undergo some sort of cool training…) I do like the introduction of Hit, Cabba and Kael… Those characters are alright. But the crap way that the anime drags on the dumb stuff just makes me crazy. The only thing DBS is doing right is it has Goku, vegeta, Hit and Jiren. Kefura is not bad but kind of a waste of time. since we know Jiren is the last boss. I dont understand why she is fighting goku. I get that she wants to test her powers but ffs. Goku VS EVERYONE… I cant wait for Vegeta to go super instinct… *girl squeal*

  • Leo LeiGto

    I think I find it very short since 90% of the show is filler trash.

  • Leo LeiGto

    They should really stop catering to 5 year olds and go with something Shōnen… Sadly the more fillers they stuff into an episode the more money they will make.

  • KDG

    As much as I hate Goku, he made the right decision. Frieza simply wanted to relive his past glory days by abusing some more Saiyans, and Goku couldn’t allow that. Plus letting Frieza eliminate them would defeat the purpose of Goku trying to make them stronger. This is really Goku’s first opportunity to bond with other authentic pure-blooded Saiyans who love battle as much as he does, besides Vegeta. Goku wouldn’t pass that up.

  • AKDragonPC

    Thats where I’d disagree, the manga is better in almost every way, apart from character development which I agree is better in the anime. DBS is so dragged out and the majority of times just bores me. Not to mention the power levels/scaling is f****d, makes no sense anymore.

    As a fan of DBZ I will still watch Super; but i’m not excited to see the episode every week. I have yet to see a villain or story line that comes close to DBZ. DBS like GT just feels like a spin-off that is aimed at the younger generation rather than the old school DBZ fans. Which imo makes SSB Kaioken transformation irrelevant to me.

    No matter how cool some pieces of animation or transformations can be in DBS anime so far; they fall flat with the poorly executed interpretation of the authentic DBS manga.

  • Alex Lowery

    So second tournament arc and god of destruction candidates arc after tournament of power?

  • Alex Lowery

    then stop watching

  • Ryumancer

    The collapse of powerscaling is present in both the anime and the manga. And Kaioken was the best way to amp up his already awesome power on such short notice. Not to mention it was a technique Goku knew for years so it definitely doesn’t count as an asspull. And character development is quite an important thing in a series. If anything the DBS anime has had more character development than most of Z did. Android 18 was a great example. You actually see her become a great and concerned wife and mother as opposed to a cold woman that everyone’s used to seeing. Even Vegeta has changed a bit. And 114 developed Kale and Caulifla (albeit a little bit, but still more than anything before now).

    The manga started as an interpretation of the anime and then they just started being equal after that. Of course the manga has more consistent art, only one guy does it and he has a whole month to do it. The people doing the anime only have a week to do their stuff with almost equal appeal more or less that the manga has. The anime people work so much harder.

  • Ryumancer

    Idiots like him don’t know how to. 😉

  • Ryumancer

    Indeed, writing is Dragonball’s Achilles Heel. Concepts are its absolute strength.

  • Menacing~~~

    You could but if you’re a fan of a series it’s kinda hard to just randomly drop it. It has to be Naruto(4th War+) levels of bad to force fans to stop watching.

  • Leo LeiGto

    It is always fun to reply to this kind of statement. The ” if you dont like it stop doing it.” Tv shows are like food. Each episode tastes different. Think of it this way… for years you ate the best food ever, DBZ, and you love it you have history, memories ETC… Then you naturally return and want more. you can’t tell someone who knows that delicious taste to just stop eating it because it still reminds them of it. It might just be some ingredients that make it taste like garbage but it still has potential. I love the pleb mentality if you dont like it don’t do it. But the actual issue here is you want me to not say bad things about something I do not currently enjoy. In most of the Free world we are allowed our opinions. You are allowed to think that no one should “complain” thats cool. Unfortunately people are biggots and share their opinions but do not let others share theirs. 🙂 then people go around trying to offend those who habe different opinions.. oh the snowflakes…DBS sucks @$$ and I Will continue watching it for the 10% of episodes that are kind of good. Lol.

  • Alex Lowery

    i’m not reading all that, just stop bitching and do what you want

  • Leo LeiGto

    Thanks bro. Reading can help you get ahead in life. Instead of just giving head in life like your used to snowflake.

  • Alex Lowery

    Annnd this is where i stop talking to you, goodbye troll.

  • Leo LeiGto

    Lol your the one posting on my comments bro. Don’t start something when you just gonna walk away like a biatch. I don’t mind if you want to post your opinion that this is the best show known to man. Do it. I will disagree. I don’t have to go in your post and tell you how to live your gay loving life. Its your choice to suck the hose. Power to ya.

  • Leo LeiGto

    My sentiments exactly. They have their C team doing everything just like MARVEL comics. Dbs manga done by Pro, anime done by monkeys. Marvel comics done by monkeys, movies done by pros.

  • Edgaras Mugenis

    BAKA! enjoy expressing your opinions you have a lot to say I accept that
    We are all the same and different
    and stop complaining about honest opinions write and write sumore
    I read whats interesting to me and I comment the way I want
    Freedom of speech

  • Leo LeiGto

    Lol. AHO! <3

  • Chaotix

    Go with Shōnen? I think you really need to look up the meaning of the word, since it means young boy, generally viewed as the age range of 7-13.

  • Leo LeiGto

    Bro. Please learn more about Japanese culture. Follow your own advice and look up what it means. Lol. Silly Billy nilly.大笨蛋

  • Chaotix

    I did look up what it means, and multiple sources confirm this to be the case. Seinen is most likely the term you were looking for.

  • Leo LeiGto

    Oh you poor thing. SHONEN is 12-17 . Seinen is 18+. Gore , more fan service etc. SHONEN is teen. No comic uses such a small demographic. 7-12 is not a good market. Naruto is not Seinen. The group it caters to is teens. Continue your search.

  • Chaotix

    I said generally viewed as that age range. But as you just said yourself, Naruto is considered Shonen, Dragon Ball Super is very much at the same age demographic as that is. Fun fact though, Pokémon too is considered Shonen, which confirms it’s not as limited in age range as you suggest either.

  • Leo LeiGto

    No limit in age indeed. In the USA Pokemon was not shonen it was edited to be more kid friendly so… once again I don’t know what your saying but I would like dragonball super to cater to a true shonen audience. e.g. the same audience as yuyuhakusho, Naruto, onepiece, bleach, my hero academia… Currently dbs is way more kiddie than it was before. SHONEN is the correct word.

  • AKDragonPC

    Nah not really, the manga power scaling is no where near as bad as the anime…”yet”. Time will tell if the manga shows Android 17 keeping up/matching Goku SSB or Krillin pushing Goku SSB back slightly in a beam clash when training, lol. Also very glad the manga did not include future Trunks getting some random SSG form or make a spirit bomb from his broken sword….so bad imo. I also predict that the manga will not show the other universe’s saiyans reaching SS2 without any additional training like the anime. (I found this to be super bad!)

    I am with you on the character development but my point being no matter how good it is the story matters and the Super anime just feels very artificial/fake and underdeveloped from a story standpoint compared to the manga and in no way would I consider them equal.

    Finally you are correct the anime requires way more work/time/money but even so the fact still remains that the animation/art was just shockingly poor from battle of the gods saga to around half way through the future trunks saga, where things started to improve very slightly; and as I said in my first post it took them 114 episodes to draw goku correctly. DBS almost feels like a middle finger to DBZ fans imo and its a shame, I view DBS anime disrespectful to DBZ and its fans.

  • How about do something to connect Super’s story to Uub and also GT.

  • Leo LeiGto

    Probably won’t happen because akira came out and said GT happend on a different universe/ a parallel one. But I would like to see me some ss4. But with the current ssgod I actually would not want more transformations lol. But that’s just me.

  • Ryumancer

    Though obviously not a powerscaling event, the manga forcing SSG on us every 5 minutes is just about as cringeworthy as all you’ve listed for the anime.

    The manga was at its most practical when it merely explained things that the anime forgot to mention, like how the Pilaf Gang became kids again. Same with explaining in greater detail how Future Trunks’ fight against Dabura and Babidi transpired. Now it overexplains things during certain events that were so dramatically diverted from the events of the anime. Its constant 180 from the anime sounds forced and even more fake than what you say about the anime. At least the anime’s slice of life leaves potential for character exploration.

    If the manga truly were superior like you said, the gap of the end result between the manga and anime would be far more apparent. The fandom is practically split down the middle on which one they prefer. The manga is given more time to be arguably just as appealing as the anime. The true test for Toyotaro would be doing a WEEKLY manga just like Toriyama did originally. I find Toyotaro to be quite overrated and underwhelming. His art style and battle scenes are decent. But his story-telling falls just as flat as the anime does.

  • KDG

    Well then perhaps I’m just different, as I don’t find it difficult at all to stop watching something I no longer enjoy.

  • Chaotix

    Funny that, since you’re saying the USA version, but that isn’t the version I watch. Apart from a couple episodes which I will give you that were banned, Pokemon is the exact same between Japan and America. The true Shonen audience is still teen males, Dragon Ball Super is still very much Shonen, you’re just growing out of it, clearly. Yuyu Hakusho isn’t a good example at all, a high majority of the fans say that can’t be classed as Shonen because it goes beyond what Shonen does, the same with Hunter x Hunter, that’s Togashi’s writing style.

  • AKDragonPC

    SSB has been forced on everyone every 30 seconds in the anime, but yeah both manga/anime are cringeworthy in this area.
    Personally I care for a better storyline execution than potential character exploration, DBZ lacks the character exploration yet is far better than DBS.
    Yeah I actually do agree with your last paragraph; however for me even though the difference between the manga and the anime could be seen as minimal it makes all the difference in the end product; enough for me and many other people to see that DBS is just no where near as good as DBZ, that for me is clear as day.

  • Ryumancer

    Well we agree DBS can’t compare to DBZ, manga or anime. That’s well established. I think the whole fandom agrees with that one. Yeah, there were several times in the ToP arc that Goku did NOT need to use SSB. Krillin and 17 were the biggest examples. Same with blasting those wolf fighters from Universe 9 out of the ring.

    I think we can also agree that separating the events of the manga and anime so harshly and splitting an already fragmented and toxic fanbase was a really bad idea. lol

    I mean a Super vs GT argument was cancerous enough. Now it’s always Super anime vs Super manga.

  • An unpopular opinion.

  • Leconte Dave

    They are keeping EOZ
    They could Erase everyone memories lol

  • s̶ᴡ̇ᴀ̦͑͂ɢ͠ᴀ̙ᴍ̧ᴏ̩̫͛ᴛ͓͔̫ᴏ͂

    possible or it could be some hidden villain