Dragon Ball FighterZ Officially Joins Evo 2018, Producer to Participate

Posted on February 7, 2018

Dragon Ball FighterZ, one of the most highly anticipated fighting games to launch in recent memory will take its place among other serious, hard-hitting, tournament-worthy fighting games at this year’s Evolution Championship Series (EVO for short), which will run from August 3 to August 5, 2018 in Las Vegas, Nevada (USA)

EVO is the largest and longest-running fighting game tournament in the world, bringing together players of the highest caliber from around the globe to compete for big cash prizes and even bigger bragging rights within the competitive fighting game world.

More details about DRAGON BALL FighterZ’s debut at EVO 2018 will be shared in the coming months. In the meantime, Bandai Namco Entertainment encourages all DRAGON BALL FighterZ players to begin their training immediately and push hard for a spot at this year’s EVO.

Dragon Ball FighterZ Producer Tomoko Hiroki will be at EVO in person and will be there to enter the tournament so the competition will be tough!

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Dragon Ball FighterZ is a 3-vs-3 team battle fighting game by Arc System Works, the same developer as the acclaimed Guilty Gear fighting game franchise. Dragon Ball FighterZ delivers an explosive, action-packed game that combines classic 2D fighting with advanced 3D character models that look and feel as if they are straight out of the Dragon Ball series. It incorporates ultra high-speed battles and various flashy moves, including Goku’s iconic Kamehameha. Dragon Ball FighterZ was published by Bandai Namco Entertainment on January 26, 2018 in North America and Europe and on February 1, 2018 in Japan.

  • Mugetsu a’k’a SS4 Gohan

    Deserved

  • Yomi

    Remember that time Storm Revolution was supposed to be in EVO?

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Looks like deathbattle did their research right for once

  • Ryumancer

    dafuq are you talking about? lol

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Batman vs black panther, BP won

  • Ryumancer

    Oh. That. Yeah.

    They do okay research on some of the fights, just none of the fights that matter.

  • umad

    no?

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Sm vs Goku lol

  • Navok76

    Man A21 is hella immature, all she wants is turning the whole world into sweets.. even super buu is more rational than this betch..

  • Mugetsu a’k’a SS4 Gohan

    How do I hide my message. I wanna discuss A21. But it’s a bit spoilery

  • anonymous

    HTML spoiler tags.

  • Yomi

    “Now, in this game, we’ve built the battle system in a more intuitive way. We asked the producers of King of Fighters, Street Fighter, even Tekken, for input on this, and we’ve come together to make the combat system something that, while open to new players, also offers traditional fighting game fans new challenges.”

    Matsuyama added, “We’d really love to see Ninja Storm at events like EVO, like with Tekken, so, we built it with that in mind. Also, this game is going to be sold in September 2014—and we’re hoping to sell around 1.5 million copies worldwide.”

    Read more at http://www.siliconera.com/2014/05/21/cyberconnect2-like-see-naruto-shippuden-ultimate-ninja-storm-revolution-evo/#1CwPVevQhh6BBmmH.99

  • Mugetsu The God Of Destruction

    Or you could just tell me 😛

  • anonymous

    if I use the actual tag, you cannot see it. It can also get confusing it I leave spaces in between (or maybe I just suck at explaining). So a google search seemed the best way.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Which form for you guys like the most UI or Ultra blue

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Which form for you guys like the most UI

  • Seventh

    UI.

  • Yomi

    without spaces

  • Koibito888

    UI isn’t a form lol.

    If you mean Goku’s new form that he gained alongside UI, then Vegeta’s form is just that with Blue on it so Vegeta’s

  • Koibito888

    What about her?

  • Mugetsu The God Of Destruction

    Thank you

  • Mugetsu The God Of Destruction

    so she was Dr Geros wife

  • Koibito888

    But where was that confirmed? I got all of the secret conversations and link events for her and nothing really said that. I keep hearing it but cant find a source

  • Navok76

    idk but she should’ve regenerated when cell, frieza and goku attacked her in the volcano stage

  • Anthony_weaver86

    It is a form I don’t want why you don’t think it is

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Cool I perfer ultra blue it’s something I wanted for the basic super saiyan hair to look like

  • Mugetsu The God Of Destruction

    but she didn’t have regeneration powers

  • Mugetsu The God Of Destruction

    in one of her secret links she said she had a son who looked exactly like C16. And from an interview like 2 years ago Akira Toriyama said Dr Gero made C16 look like his dead son

  • Mugetsu The God Of Destruction

    And a small detail is her second color are the same as Geros

  • Navok76

    she should have have as long as she turned into a majin completely

  • Koibito888

    Because UI is a technique that causes no change to the physical form whatsover.

    I know you dont watch so when Vegeta did his new thing they stated that Vegeta had ‘broken his shell just like Goku’. Vegeta’s new form is not an extension of Blue it’s literally the silver eyed sparkly aura form that Goku got, the same exact form, just with Blue on top of it.

    When Vegeta got this form it did NOT give him Ultra Instinct, proving that achieving the form does not in fact give you UI or have anything to do with it and that Goku getting UI along with his ‘broken shell’ state was pure coincidence of the circumstances.

    UI is just a technique that makes you react/go fast.

  • Koibito888

    Huh? No she didn’t?

    Link event 1 is generic ‘sorry I got you pulled into this we have to fight’

    2 is generic her going ‘you fight good’ basically

    3 is the ‘technically I’m not even ten years old’ bit. She says she was built in the image of a human woman, given a proportionate IQ, all that but no mention of a son.

    4 is her sucking off Bulma lol just ranting about how intelligent she is

    5 is her talking about how she tried string cheese and ate 100 of them

    6 is her talking about the kind of research she wants to get into once its all over

    7 is just her saying how great the player is.

    None of her link events or team conversation mention that particular point.

  • Koibito888

    Thats only because her whole point is that she’s smart as/smarter than Gero and hes not in the game. That doesn’t say anything when like I said below she never mentioned that.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    no he is clearly more powerful in that form not just dodging attacks. He fought against jiren a lot better and did more damage

  • Koibito888

    You’re misunderstanding what happened.

    Goku is using two powerups simultaneously.

    UI was explained to us on multiple occasions by Whis as ONLY the technique of learning to move without thinking so that you eliminate the time it takes for signals from the brain to get to the body, causing a speed boost.

    Goku’s power boost AND the physical changes were credited to Goku ‘breaking his shell’ as in forcefully breaking his limits which happened when his Ki pushing back against the Spirit Bomb crushing in on him forcefully broke said ‘shell’. This is what caused Goku’s power boost.

    Vegeta broke through his shell as noted by the Grand Priest who said that Vegeta “broke his shell just like Goku” confirming that what Vegeta did to get the power boost was the exact same thing as Goku’s power boost, but did NOT give him UI.

    It shows that the two abilities, UI the speed boost, and ‘breaking your shell’ the power boost, are in fact two different abilities as Vegeta got the same form (as the series flat out tells us) but did not get UI.

    This means that while Vegeta and Goku have the same exact power boost, UI is separate from this. Breaking your shell does not automatically grant you UI or else Vegeta would have gotten UI as well just by doing it. He did not. Goku getting UI and ‘breaking one’s shell’ are two completely different abilities that Goku achieved simultaneously purely by coincidence.

  • KDG

    Goku’s new form and Ultra Instinct, as already explained by Koibito888, are two different things. When Whis was training Goku and Vegeta, he was in fact using Ultra Instinct. That is when the ability is first introduced and even explained by Whis. It is the ability for one’s body to react purely on instinct, and without forethought. This greatly increases the reaction speed of a fighter, as they are no longer limited by the time that the brain takes to send signals to each limb. Whis assumed no such form while demonstrating the ability.

    Goku’s form is a result of breaking the shell to the deepest limits of his power. It is akin to Gohan’s “potential unleashed” form. Because of Goku’s latent abilities (power and speed) being pushed to their absolute limit in this form, and the fact that Goku has a natural talent for fighting with very little thought, Goku was naturally receptive to using Ultra Instinct. This is in direct contrast to Vegeta who, despite breaking his own shell just as Goku had, thinks too much in battle, and thus cannot utilize Ultra Instinct even while having access to his complete power.

    The only real difference between Goku’s limit breaker and Vegeta’s is that Goku did so as a warrior, and Vegeta did so as a Saiyan, hence the combination with Super Saiyan Blue. Their different fighting styles are what allows Goku to use Ultra Instinct while Vegeta cannot.

  • KDG

    Same form, different method. They are both Limit Breakers, and Ultra Instinct is nothing more than a fighting style that Goku is able to utilize in his Limit Breaker form, due in part to Goku’s talent for fighting with very little thought, and in part to Goku’s extensive understanding of combining body and spirit in battle as opposed to relying on brute strength and wit. As he rarely overthinks in battle (unlike Vegeta), Goku was naturally receptive to the ability to move on pure instinct. This is why his heightened speed in this form allows him to use Ultra Instinct.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    It does increase his power. Ssg gokubstruggled against Kefla but his attacks effected her in ui. If it didn’t his base wouldn’t stand a chance whiz also stated goku has a weird aura meaning he doesn’t know everything. Don’t give me a long a
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  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    ‘Breaking your shell does not confirm they did the same thing for the same result. Both how they did and what they got was different. The series did not tell us they got the same thing stop making stuff up. If Ui is different then why didn’t goku didn’t become blue instead of looking like in his base. All of what you said has no basis. Whiz said goku has a weird heat comming off him meaning it might be slightly different from your normal ui

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    If his potential was broken then why isn’t he in ui all the time. Gohan potential unlocked is a transformation they confirmed this when goku was fighting against gohan.

  • Koibito888

    No, but the Grand Priest saying it was the same thing confirmed it. That was literally the point of his response to Vegeta doing so.

    He literally said that Vegeta did exactly what Goku did. Goku wasn’t in Blue when he did it, Vegeta was. Goku specifically pushed so hard that even after he passed out he was still pushing against the Spirit Bomb, this was thoroughly shown and explained. As such he was in base form and unconscious when he broke his shell. It just so happens that pushing or acting unconsciously at all is exactly what UI has always been described as, hence the coincidence.

    Vegeta was in Blue when he did it. Goku could probably also go Blue with it but the whole point for Goku is the Ultra Instinct technique and they’ve already established that even just the conscious effort to attack is much harder because the point is to be basically unconscious in movement. Going Blue while in that state is probably all the harder, counterintuitive to UI entirely. That’s the difference, Goku was in base, Vegeta was in Blue. Goku could go Blue, it would not be a sensible move for him.

    That literally makes no sense for there to be a slightly different UI. Goku is applying UI to a separate form, there is no logic to the idea that the first time they introduce a concept they’ve been building up since three arcs ago, that it would be slightly different from what they were talking about. The difference is that Goku is using the technique on a form, its more likely the weird heat comes from the form that actually boosts his power.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    He was in blue when he did. It exploded on him while he was in ssb

  • KDG

    The Spirit Bomb exploded on Goku while he was Super Saiyan Blue. However, he also fell unconscious. What has consistently happened to any Saiyan who falls unconscious in every single case since Dragon Ball Z? They can no longer hold their transformed state. Goku was in fact unconscious in his base form when his shell was broken. Koibito888 is correct.

  • Koibito888

    Yes, and he fell unconscious and out of Blue BEFORE his shell broke, as KDG said.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Ok if it were 2 different things then why can’t he use ui with other forms or at the very least why isn’t he doing so ? Dont tell me he didnt master it because the second time he transformed he had it. Its obviously linked

  • KDG

    Except they’re not linked. Like with any form that increases a fighters power or allows them to tap into the true depths of their own potential, Goku’s power and speed are increased, or rather he has access to the full power and speed that is his full potential. As such, his speed in that form is equal to or greater than the required minimum speed for using Ultra Instinct. When Whis first introduced the technique that is Ultra Instinct while training Goku and Vegeta during the Resurrection ‘F’ movie (and the Dragon Ball Super arc), he explained that Goku and Vegeta needed to reach the required speed to be capable of learning and/or using Ultra Instinct, which at the time had no name and had only been seen being used by Whis who effortlessly dodged and blocked Goku’s and Vegeta’s combined assault.

    There is no connection between Goku’s Limit Breaker form and Ultra Instinct other than his form gives him access to the speed he needs to utilize it. Also note that when Goku first achieved that form during his fight with Jiren, no one had any clue what was going on with Goku based off his appearance. It wasn’t until Whis examined Goku’s movements, and was able to conclude based off said movements that Goku was using Ultra Instinct. If Ultra Instinct had in fact been a transformation and not just a technique, the entire attendance of Angels and Gods would have immediately recognized the form without Goku moving, as they are all very familiar with Ultra Instinct. That is proof enough that Ultra Instinct is not Goku’s form, but rather it is the boost in speed and power that allows Goku to then use the technique that is in fact Ultra Instinct. It’s all quite simple, and should not be as hard of a concept for one to grasp. It’s just logic based off evidence provided by the anime itself.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Not really the anime has no logic. They haven’t explained why toppo became a god of destruction (manga doesn’t count). The transformation was an ass pull and had no explanation. If it really did unlock his potential he would be in that form 24/7 , clearly its transformation of non super sayain varity or maybe it is. Friezas golden form. Why trunks got a new transformation with no explanation and why the spirit bomb worked against zamasu.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    But I get what you are saying

  • KDG

    Unlocking his potential does not automatically place Goku permanently in form. Gohan’s “Potential Unleashed” form is a transformation, and not a permanent form, hence he is still capable of assuming Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2 forms respectively without unleashing his full power.

    Toppo’s form is exclusive to either him or his race. He is a God of Destruction because he is able to use Hakai, and because he was trained in Destroyer techniques by Belmod and his Angel whose name currently escapes me.

    Frieza’s Golden Form is likely exclusive to his race and connected to God ki. No other information is known at the moment.

  • Koibito888

    Uhhh he was training to become a god of destruction and Hakkai is a requirement we don’t need to know anything else. The transformation was explained, it broke his limits, simple enough. Also they did in fact establish that Goku reaches this height unconsciously as well, by having his power pushed by even greater power being why it required Kale to kick the crap out of him. Whis directly states this that Goku reached the form again due to Kale’s energy against his. It’s a base state that he needs to be pushed into.

    To your other question Goku could use it with other forms. Other forms take concentration to use, something directly counterproductive to UI. He’s trying to use UI.

    What about Frieza’s Golden form there was nothing wrong with it.

    Trunks went SSJ2, then full power SSJ2, and then God Ki shrunk his muscles. What more do you need to know?

    Uhh… Why did Spirit Bomb work? You mean that attack that automatically hurts evil things and always harms or destroys opponents stronger than the power that went into it? Into a sword attack when sharpened Ki has always been able to also cut opponents stronger than the user? (hence Krillin’s destructo disc actually working on anyone) these things combined? Why the hell wouldn’t it work?

  • Koibito888

    Potential unleashed is a thing he has to power up into but its more of a full power state for his base. He does have to actually reach it though like you said. Though each time he went SSJ1 and 2 he didn’t have potential unleashed back yet so I don’t think he can go SSJ or 2 with it because he’s just accessing their power in base form (along with his potential).

    But yeah exactly to everything else.

  • KDG

    The reason Vegeta is not able to utilize Ultra Instinct in his Limit Breaker form is because his potential is not as high as Goku’s. Vegeta’s power and speed in his form seems to be equivalent to Goku’s while using Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken x20. As such, his speed is not at the required level. Also, Vegeta overthinks in battle, as noted by Whis. Even if he were fast enough, his mind would not be receptive to the ability to react without forethought.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    They never mentioned it was exclusive to his race.

  • Koibito888

    Actually logically Vegeta’s potential is much higher than Goku’s he just keeps not reaching it fully. He keeps surpassing Goku with lesser forms. UI is less about having a required level and just about ability to use the technique, Vegeta hasn’t/can’t learn it is all. He tried earlier and just couldn’t because of skill not level.

  • Koibito888

    But no one else recognized it as anything beyond Toppo

  • KDG

    Whether or not Gohan uses his other forms after reaccessing his Potential Unleashed form is irrelevant, as it still is not a permanent form and requires Gohan to power up/transform. This is visibly proven by the fact that base Gohan’s hair has no bangs, and merely resembles Android Saga Yamcha’s, while in his Potential Unleashed form his hairstyle drops a single bang. This proves that Goku’s new form does not have to be permanent simply because it is akin to Potential Unleashed.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    It took the entire earth to destroy buu while it took 50 people and a beated up goku and vegeta to stop him .Trunks got a new transformation with no explanation. Frieza golden transformation isn’t like the others cause he doesn’t stay it all the time

  • Koibito888

    Exactly.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Fine his entire race can do go god of destruction

  • KDG

    The other Gods of Destruction did not recognize Toppo as a God of Destruction based off his transformed state, but rather by the Destruction ki that enveloped his body. This suggests that it is not a form that is linked to Gods of Destruction. As such, one can confidently conclude that it is either a form exclusive to Toppo, or to whatever alien race he belongs to.

  • Koibito888

    Yeah, the entire earth of weak ass pathetic human people and a little bit of energy from the Z warriors and it beat Kid Buu.

    I just told you the explanation for Trunks’ new form.

    Uhh… Yes, that’s the point of Golden, it is the opposite of other forms. Frieza was born in Final Form, the other forms are forms he made to cap off his power. They are transformations backwards, Golden is transformation forwards. It’s an actual evolution as opposed to the previous ones which are more like seals on his power. That’s also why it’s appearance is the opposite of the other forms too. How did you possible not know this?

  • KDG

    His form is not equivalent to a God of Destruction, but rather it is a heightened state of being for either himself or his race. The other Gods did not recognize it, thus to conclude that his race can “go God of Destruction” is erroneous.

  • Koibito888

    I mean in the same way that the entire Saiyan race can go SSJG with a ritual probably yes.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Yes the hakai only gods of destruction have

  • Koibito888

    You mean like the God Ki all Saiyans can access with a ritual? Or perhaps Hakkai, the technique Toppo has literally been training for?

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Actually both , neither went into depth explanation. Pure heart ritual and just abdoning your “justice”

  • KDG

    I don’t think Vegeta’s potential is higher. I believe the explanation to Vegeta surpassing Goku in each form is due to the methods by which Vegeta reaches these forms. Goku usually stumbles upon a new form by accident; his body often responding to a direct need for the power his forms tend to grant him. On the other hand, Vegeta has achieved each form he has attained through force of will, usually attached to and driven by the desire to surpass Goku and become the strongest. Goku has greater potential due to his natural talent for improving, as well as the understanding that he can access higher power by syncing his body and spirit (as he explained to Ginyu when Ginyu could not access Goku’s full power). Goku operates on a less conscious level, while Vegeta consciously strives for power that surpasses Goku, hence Goku continuously reaches new heights without trying, and Vegeta has to push himself to bridge the gap. I think this also explains why Goku was naturally receptive to Ultra Instinct, while Vegeta can achieve no such feat.

  • Koibito888

    Yeah but also remember Vegeta’s whole plot revolves around letting go of his pride more and more and reaching more power from it, because he has yet to hit his limits. Goku on the other hand explicitly stated he reached his limits back in Cell Saga (he only gets stronger in that he got SSJ2 and 3, unnatural forms that force the user passed their limits). Vegeta also surpassed SSJ2 Goku by leagues and bounds in mere SSJ2. Even if Vegeta was as strong as SSJ3 in SSJ2 in that moment (which we know he was stronger because he did even better against Beerus than Goku did) that would put Vegeta at a natural 4x stronger than Goku who has hit his limits making Vegeta’s potential stronger. It also lines up with him being born stronger than Goku as naturally he would have a higher potential.

    I think you’re mixing up potential and skill. Potential is literally just a power thing, it’s potential power. Goku, as you said has skill, talent, these things aren’t potential. UI is not about potential either, it’s not about being at a certain level or speed it’s a technique, it requires skill to learn and practice. Vegeta has more potential than Goku but Goku has more skill.

  • Ahtma

    I think Vegeta’s biggest issue is that he can’t let go of himself and let his body do its own thing.

  • Koibito888

    They don’t need it. It’s self explanatory is the point. God Ki is a skill, its something anyone can train to get and Saiyans even have an auto ritual (that Toriyama even went more in depth on himself) to get it. Hakkai is a skill Toppo was specifically training for, it’s objectively logical that he too could gain the energy from a form OR gain the form from learning the energy.

    What we do know is it’s not a God thing or else it would have been recognized. Not a god thing means it has to be a Toppo thing. It’s just logic.

  • KDG

    I’m not just talking about Goku’s skill and talent though; I’m also referring to his growth potential. Goku reaches these accolades without trying. And look at what happens when he DOES try: Goku achieved Super Saiyan 3. Also his “Ultra” form clearly surpassed Vegeta’s. During the Cell Saga, Vegeta went into the Hyperbolic Time Chamber already stronger than Goku, and came out over three times stronger than Imperfect Cell. Goku went in weaker than Vegeta was when he killed Android 19, and came out significantly stronger than Vegeta, and that was even before he and Gohan trained their bodies to achieve a perfected state of Super Saiyan. Had Goku trained as relentlessly as Vegeta without being so carefree, he would be leagues ahead of Vegeta. The fact that Goku knows how to relax from time to time definitely helps Vegeta keep up.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    I never said people can’t obtain it it’s just the ritual it’s self makes no sense. It’s a god thing because you your self keep saying he trained by a God of destruction (so its not a race thing like your friend thinks) . This I don’t remember but didn’t Belmont or whatever told the grand priest and everyone else that toppo is a candidate when he first faught against goku so people already knew? I’m just saying him achieving now just cause of justice with no explanation regardless is just an ass pull.

  • KDG

    I imagine being born a prince but living most of his life enslaved by the same tyrant who killed his father and blew up his planet had a deep and profound effect on Vegeta that was long-lasting. As such, he never had the luxury of learning to be carefree or relaxing, whereas Goku had the advantage of friends and a considerably more peaceful life than Vegeta had, even being able to indulge in the downtime sport of competing in tournaments for fun.

  • Ahtma

    He’s a candidate so the potential for him to use the powers of a God of Destruction were already there.

  • Koibito888

    But like growth potential is not what potential means in DBZ. The potential that gets released and reached by people at times is entirely a power thing. It just means the power you can possibly get.

    In Cell Saga Goku explains that no matter how much training he does from then on he wont get any stronger because he had reached his full potential. Yes he was stronger than Vegeta but he does not have the raw skill (and has emotional blocks to it with his pride) to reach his heights as fast but after that point Vegeta kept growing and growing and then by BoG, where Goku, still at his limit, was surpassed by Vegeta who still had more potential to reach.

    More skill is what lets Goku get stronger faster than Vegeta
    More potential is what lets Vegeta keep catching up and surpassing Goku.

  • Koibito888

    God Ki and Hakkai are clearly not God things exclusively. God Ki is just condensed Ki, you don’t have to be trained by a God you just have to be trained by someone who knows that ‘holding in your Ki and raising it is the secret to God Ki’. It’s a skill, it’s a thing you learn to do, not a holy rite.

    Hakkai is the same considering Toppo could do it before officially becoming a God of Destruction, it too is just something one learns to do.

    He didn’t achieve it just now. He could already do it, he just wasn’t trying to obliterate everyone in the arena in the name of justice. He gave that up and said screw it, its about survival so no holding back, hence him doing this thing. That wasn’t new for Toppo, we just saw it for the first time on screen, he already could do it.

  • KDG

    Actually, as we both have noted and explained several times, it is not a God thing. The other Gods of Destruction would have immediately recognized this form if it were, as they would have all achieved it as well. The fact that they only recognized him as a God of Destruction based entirely off of his Destruction ki is proof of this, just as Whis recognizing Ultra Instinct entirely based off Goku’s movements as opposed to his form is proof that his form and Ultra Instinct are not the same. As I stated before, it’s all pretty simple logic.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Why does everything need to be confirmed by the gods.if it’s not why didn’t the gods say what it was actually this new form?

  • KDG

    Also, I did not say it was a race thing. What I said was it is either a Toppo thing or a race thing. We have no way of knowing which yet, as Toppo is the only member of his race we have been introduced to. Based off the reactions of the other Destroyers, we can conclude it is not a God of Destruction form. Thus it is either Toppo exclusive, or Toppo-race exclusive.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Ok that’s bs. He could use it before but we never seen It, where is the proof?Only gods of destruction showed this ability before and no one else. Why didn’t he use it before? If he could use it he would have without killing

  • Koibito888

    It just has to be confirmed by someone who knows what it is. They didn’t say so because the important and shocking part was the Hakkai not the form.

  • Ahtma

    He probably didn’t use it before because of the massive amounts of weaker fighters on the stage. If he killed even one of them he would’ve been out.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    I didn’t say you only said it was a race thing. What the hell is a toppo thing ?

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Bruh no what about 17

  • KDG

    We know he could use it before based off the ease by which he revealed his form, thus it is clearly evident he knew how to transform by experience. He didn’t use it before because it would mean abandoning his ideals. He only abandoned said ideals for the sake of survibal, as the fight eventually came to a 4 on 2 battle, where he and Jiren were the two outnumbered.

    The explanations and answers to your questions are all in the show, my friend.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    No no buu could use kamehameha easily by watching maybe it’s a toppo thing

  • Koibito888

    The proof is that they explained that he has been in training for the next god of destruction and he didn’t just stumble upon the power he KNOWINGLY used it. He knew what he was doing, it was a power he already knew of and how to use and he just did it consciously, he didn’t just go whoops into a new form and didn’t recognize what he did are you even watching?

  • Ahtma

    What about 17? If it’s referring to Toppo ringing him out that’s because that’s focusing on one opponent. If Toppo did this at the beginning of the tournament I guarantee you he would have killed at least one fighter.

  • KDG

    Because they would be the ones who know, as they are in fact Gods of Destruction. If someone reaches a form and the established Gods of Destruction have never seen it before, then it is obviously not something that is connected to being a God of Destruction. That is why.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Again why didn’t he use it before ? The hakai aura atleast ?

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    He clearly had control over it

  • Ahtma

    He has control because he’s completely focused on one fighter while using it. There is almost no potential for collateral damage.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Maybe they do and they arnt saying it

  • KDG

    The copying of a Ki attack by a being who has existed for millions of years, has successfully absorbed people and have successfully stolen ki attacks in the past is not equivalent of a transformation. You’re reaching too hard to disprove something that is right on the screen.

  • Ahtma

    Until they do you can’t assume they do.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    He shot Frieza with it without killing him

  • Koibito888

    Because it’s too dangerous. It does take concentration to use obviously as hinted at by Beerus pointing out his need to charge it as a weakness. Just because he has the focus to not kill 4 of the strongest warriors doesn’t mean that he has the control to not kill 80 significantly weaker ones all around him. It would have been stupid to use it then.

  • Ahtma

    Frieza’s handled Energy of Destruction before.

  • Koibito888

    So you’re saying you think Dr. Rota would have survived the same blast

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    We don’t know How old is toppo. Goku copied kame as a kid

  • KDG

    That is nothing more than conjecture. Baseless conjecture at that. It has no place in a debate where evidence is key.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Probably could could shoot a weaker one. The one he shot against vegeta vs final flash was stronger

  • Koibito888

    You think Toppo could fire destruction energy so weak that it wouldn’t kill Yamcha for instance? Lol you’re ridiculous.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Your argument is cause they arnt confirming means it is false is a fallacy. Even it isn’t they didn’t explain what it was

  • KDG

    It had to be stronger, as Vegeta was stronger than Toppo. That is why Toppo lost. Whether or not he could fire a weak enough Hakai blast to not kill the significantly weaker fighters that once populated the fighting stage is, again, conjecture. Conjecture has no place in a debate where evidence is key.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Didn’t kill Frieza. The enemies were all different levels so a ki blast could kill someone if not used properly

  • KDG

    How exactly could Gods of Destruction explain a form that not only is not connected to them, but they also never seen before?

  • Ahtma

    I try not to harp on grammar but this is a really rocky read.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    They clearly recognised hakai meaning it was something connected to them. How did the grand priest explain vegeta ?

  • Koibito888

    They recognized Hakkai and said nothing of the form. If the form was connected to them they would have noted it, but they only noted the Hakkai.

    The Grand Priest explained Vegeta because he literally watched Goku do the same thing hence him saying he did it “just like Goku”

  • KDG

    There is a vast difference between a Ki blast, and a Destruction blast that turns anyone significantly weaker than it to dust. Frieza was able to survive having an entire planet explode under his half body that was almost completely depleted of ki and unconscious. Needless to say, he is durable than most. You cannot compare the other 80 fighters in the tournament to him.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    They only recognised ultra instinct but they didn’t know what was the other form. The forms looked different and again were achieved differently. How did he connect that ?

  • KDG

    By sensing his power, the same way Whis was able to surmise that Goku had broken through the shell to his deepest potential. That’s easy enough.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    No there isn’t, it can compete cause vegeta final flash demolished his hakai. Frieza can survive in space why are you bring him up? Distructo disc was said to be able to cut anyone and krillen used it against Frieza and Frieza was stronger

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Oh cant sense toppos power ?

  • KDG

    Again, by sensing his power. They recognized Ultra Instinct because it is a technique that they themselves use. How exactly are you understanding that, but not understanding that they did not recognize Toppo’s form because it is not something that they use? Now it’s just starting to feel like you’re trolling.

  • Koibito888

    Whis observed Goku and though he recognized UI instantly he did not recognize the form. BUT he deduced what the form was by logical reasoning eventually explaining it seems like Goku had ‘broken his shell’ and so the Grand Priest understood Goku had broken his shell.

    Vegeta doing so did not look different, it gave him brighter hair, eyes with pupils and the same sparkly aura Goku had – just Blue. It’s rather obvious the changes were the same and they already knew Goku broke his shell, Vegeta just did it in front of them simply. It was obvious he broke his shell. Hell it was obvious to fans before the Grand Priest explained it.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    They dont use a spirit bomb to brake limits or use super saying blue. Listen im done

  • Koibito888

    They did sense Toppo’s power, the Hakkai, the form was irrelevant to them.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Couldnt use logical explaining for toppo? Again no one explained his transformation.dont care if they know it or not. If it’s not god of destruction and it Belmont didn’t say he saw it before then it came out of nowhere

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Why was it irrevelant ? Last one im done

  • Ahtma

    How Goku and Vegeta attained their abilities is irrelevant to Toppo’s.

  • Koibito888

    There was no reason to explain his transformation simple as that.

  • Koibito888

    Because Hakkai was the important part.

    If you’re giving up then I accept your concession that you’re incorrect.

  • KDG

    The Spirit Bomb is a technique that was taught to Goku by King Kai, a lower level Kai. All Kais are Gods. No explanation needed. In the Tournament of Power, six whole fighters were capable of achieving different forms of Super Saiyan itself. Two of those Saiyans, Goku and Vegeta, are capable of achieving Super Saiyan through God ki, thus Super Saiyan Blue. They didn’t have to use either of these things to have easily witnessed them in action, not to mention they all witnessed Super Saiyan Blue during the exhibition match. What is it that you’re not understanding here?

  • KDG

    It was irrelevant because they did not know what it was. They did, however, recognize Hakai. Based off Toppo’s use of Hakai, and the fact that Belmod had mentioned that Toppo had been training with himself and his Angel to become Universe 11’s next God of Destruction, they correctly understood that Toppo had accepted his role of God of Destruction. That was all that was necessary for them to know. The transformation that they had no way of explaining (as they had never seen it before, thus it is clearly not connected to being a God of Destruction) was not worth pondering over. Given the fact that each God of Destruction belongs to a different species (save for Beerus and Champa who are twins), it’s clear that the only connection to being a God of Destruction is learning the use of Hakai and accepting the role. Other than that, there are no transformations associated with being a Destroyer. Any Destroyer with a transformation (such as Toppo) can clearly use said transformation without actually being a God of Destruction.

  • KDG

    It doesn’t matter if he can breathe in space or not. The point was that Frieza is extremely durable, hence he was able to survive a Hakai blast. With his body cut in half, his ki depleted, and being extremely damaged from a long battle with a Super Saiyan, Frieza survived Namek literally exploding under him without the explosion pummeling and completely vaporizing his body. Most people die from less. He is clearly more durable than most fighters, and thus you cannot compare him to the other 79 fighters, most of which were significantly weaker than Frieza. Also, for the record, I didn’t bring up Frieza. YOU did, and I responded. Again, it’s starting to seem like you’re just trolling at this point.

  • KDG

    That question has literally been answered for you more than twice. You’re beginning to repeat yourself.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Beerus didnt know what kaoken was. Why didnt Belmont explain if he was training with him? End of the day they didn’t explain it , I’m talking about story here.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    What ever helps you sleep. Good night

  • KDG

    Again, copying a ki attack is not equivalent to transforming. Your attempted connection is invalid.

  • Ahtma

    Kaioken was a technique specifically created by King Kai.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Distructo disc gooodnight

  • KDG

    When did Beerus suggest that he did not know what Kaioken was? Also, a God of Destruction is not the same as an Angel. Gods of Destruction were mortals who trained to become Gods. Angels were born to the Grand Priest who directly serves Zeno who created the universes and the Kais. There’s a difference between them recognizing something and a Destroyer recognizing it.

    Also Belmod not explaining Toppo’s transformation has absolutely nothing to do with his explaining that Toppo was a God of Destruction. How are you not understanding that the two are not even connected?

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Dude he just brought up the point that the gods know everything about each other but he didn’t know about kaoken. Bye

  • KDG

    Destructo Disc has nothing to do with Frieza surviving the entirety of a planet exploding, nor a Hakai Blast. Also, the Destructo Disc has on several occasions failed to cut people who were way too stronger to be cut, such as Cell and Gohan. Your Destructo Disc argument proves nothing.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Hakai can destroy people that are significantly weaker than the user. No can do the same and even kill people that are stronger whole point.

  • KDG

    In that case, please by all means provide me with an instance in which Destructo Disc has killed someone significantly stronger than the user. I’ll wait.

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    He knew he was with king Kai, if he knew about kaoken then he would know why he couldn’t use it against him. “Why didnt he use such a technique agaisnt me” or something like that.bye

  • ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Dude Frieza dodged it while it cut his tail. Nappa too. Vegeta told him to dodge. Gosh dude I’m tired arnt you at this point you can take the win

  • KDG

    That’s not what Beerus said at all. Beerus’ exact words were “he was planning to use that against me?!” This does not explicitly state nor imply that he did not know what Kaioken was, but rather that he was shocked Goku had held such a trump card with the direct intention of unleashing it against Beerus. Try again my friend.

  • Ahtma

    I’m half-reading a majority of this because I’m not reading paragraphs and you’ve been saying you were done with the argument for the past half hour.

  • Ahtma

    The instances you bring up were filler. A lot of people like to bring up the Cell one but it’s not canon, in the manga Cell just moves to the sweeping kick. In all canon instances of it connecting the Destructo Disk cuts. Krillin shouldn’t have been able to harm an inch of Frieza’s second form but because the Destructo Disk is a technique built not to blast someone it worked.

  • KDG

    I asked for an instance of Destructo Disc killing someone significantly stronger than the user. Whether or not it was dodged does not satisfy such a request. Also note that by the next saga, Krillin became stronger than Nappa, so there wasn’t a significant power gap, and Frieza was in his second weakest form at the time that he was only barely damaged by Krillin’s Destructo Disc, which hit him off guard mind you. Even Super Saiyan Blue Goku was taken down by the hand-blaster of a weak henchmen of Frieza’s while his guard was down. That does not mean any ki blast is strong enough to kill him, but rather that one’s defenses are severely weakened when they aren’t even preparing for such a technique. Your point has too many holes in it.

  • KDG

    But the anime is exactly what we are discussing. Also, Krillin caught Frieza off guard with the Destructo Disc. Note what a mere ki blast from the hand-blaster of Frieza’s weak adviser did to Super Saiyan Blue Goku when he also was not on guard.

  • Ahtma

    I don’t like throwing around power levels but Krillin’s max power against Nappa was 1,770 while Nappa’s was at least 8,000 (a lot of sources conflict but this is a definite minimum). That’s a pretty significant power gap at that point in the story. Krillin didn’t become stronger than Nappa until the Grand Elder unlocked his power which put him at over 10,000.

  • PurexedSolitude;

    I’m not a Vegeta fan whatsoever, but I do like his ascended Blue form.

    Aesthetics is really all it takes to impress me though.

    I like UI more at the end of the day.

  • Ahtma

    The blaster ring is a fair counterpoint but the way Whis phrased his scolding of Goku it sounded like his guard was completely dropped. Frieza was on-guard against opponents in front of him.

  • KDG

    6000-7000 isn’t a significant gap. Such a gap could easily be bridged with a little training. The fact that all it took was a touch from Guru should be proof in and of itself that that gap wasn’t exactly massive.

  • KDG

    Krillin wasn’t in front of him as I recall. Also, Frieza was both in his second weakest form at that point and underestimating everyone including Vegeta. His guard couldn’t have been up all that much when he didn’t think anyone there could even touch him. In fact it wasn’t until Gohan became enraged and completely overpowered him that Frieza began to take the fight more seriously and raise his guard. Prior to that, he felt he was a man standing against roaches. This is the same man who in his final form fought Goku without hands.

  • Ahtma

    I think it’s disingenuous to refer to the Grand Elder unlocking your potential as just “a touch.” At that point in the story those were massive jumps in strength considering two arcs prior the highest power level we were getting was 1,200~.

  • Ahtma

    My point remains that the Destructo Disk canonically cuts through any opponent it makes contact with, even if only partially. If the Destructo Disk could be blocked I don’t think Vegeta would’ve been surprised enough by it to yell at Nappa to dodge it.

  • KDG

    Perhaps. But it’s hard to consider that a significant power gap when an Earthling’s hidden potential was higher than Nappa’s maximum power. Considering the limitations of the human fighters, would you really consider that a huge gap?

  • PurexedSolitude;

    Although UI is not a form per-se, I think that heat mainly has to do with Goku not actually being able to utilize the technique masterfully.

    The heat is akin to shackles if you will, perhaps even a time limit of sorts.

  • Ahtma

    The issue with that question is that Dragon Ball was constantly escalating from arc-to-arc and old numbers are so dwarfed by what happens later in the series that it isn’t fair to what they represented in that specific context when they happened. Krillin in one year jumps from 206 to 1,770, and then in one day jumps from that to 10,000+.

  • KDG

    I don’t think the difference in their power was large enough for such a technique to not be a little concerning. However, you could be right. Either way, we’ve seen the effects of even the weakest attacks coming from the most insignificant of fighters having devastating effects on unsuspecting or cocky foes.

  • Ahtma

    With a gap of 6,000+ between them I don’t see Krillin doing anything otherwise that would’ve threatened Nappa. The whole time Nappa was treating his fight as a game as was Vegeta except for that moment.

  • KDG

    This is true. But notice that Krillin basically stopped growing from that point on, and has yet to do anything helpful since. Meanwhile the Saiyans continued to grow. So if Krillin could potentially rise in power enough that he was able to surpass one or two of the weaker ones, I think that’s evidence enough to support the idea that the power gap wasn’t very large. Two sagas later, Krillin stood around and watched his comrades get beaten unconscious while knowing he couldn’t lift a finger to help. Now THAT is a significant gap in my book.

  • KDG

    Vegeta’s reaction to it was certainly comical.

  • KDG

    I have a different idea about the heat. I think the heat signifies the rapid burning through of Goku’s energy and stamina. Every form Goku has ever achieved has burned through his energy at its own rate depending on the power output, with Super Saiyan 3 being the pinnacle of stamina and energy burning. Now Goku has this new form that pushes his power to its very depths, giving him access to his power and speed in its entirety. Also note that he has only been seen utilizing the form for at most a minute at a time before having completely burned through his energy supply to the point that he has ended up completely drained both times he used it. I think his massive reserves of power that his Limit Breaker grants him access to takes such a huge amount of energy and stamina just to maintain, that it rapidly heats up his body until he has no power left. This is further supported by Jiren noting that the heat Goku was giving off when he attacked with that last punched was Goku being at his limit.

  • KDG

    1. That’s not what I said.
    2. Beerus never said nor implied that he was not familiar with Kaioken.

    You, sir, are reaching.

  • PurexedSolitude;

    Sounds plausible.

    But since UI isn’t a form I don’t know how theoretically accurate it is.

    I mean, UI is something that anyone can do, it’s not anchored to one race like SSJ or anything so should there really be limits on it?

    Besides actually mastering it, of course.

  • KDG

    It may not be a form, but the technique itself has to use a considerable amount of energy due to the speed of the user’s movements. Goku went from using a massive power output like Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken x20 and not landing any blows on Jiren, to being able to avoid his EVERY attack and fight on almost equal footing. That can’t be easy on the body. Within up to 60 seconds of use, Goku is entirely burned out and depleted of all energy and stamina. This isn’t a problem for an Angel like Whis whose power is so immeasurably high that he could easily knockout Beerus with just a simple chop to the back of the neck. But on someone like Goku, he barely managed to fight Jiren for half a minute without being drained. The heat could easily be from a combination of the massive amount of power Goku controls in his Limit Breaker form and the vast amounts of energy being burned through Goku’s use of Ultra Instinct.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Technique is a form so is UI

  • Koibito888

    Technique and forms are different. UI is a technique that makes you go fast that causes no physical change at all, it’s not a transformation.

  • Koibito888

    UI and Goku’s new form that gives him the eyes and aura are not the same thing. He’s saying the form burns through this power not UI.

    Basically what I was gonna say too. More so it makes no sense that a technique that just lets you move faster, creates no physical change to the body or aura, releases some kinda heat. It makes more sense for the transformation (the thing that’s not UI), the thing that actually expels power, would be generating heat.

  • Mugetsu The God Of Destruction

    LOL she definitely said something like I’ve mentioned. Maybe you just didn’t get the one mentioned

  • Koibito888

    I literally have them all and rewatched her link events as I was typing out the above message just to be sure. Not a single link event mentions that.

    I mean here, watch them yourself:

    www(.)youtube(.)com/watch?v=BETXH2nvLmA

    The wiki even states this is the case but provides no source. I don’t know where people are getting this.

  • Koibito888

    You know what, I just found it, it wasn’t a link or team conversation, it was a story bit under a secondary conversation option.

    Okay so the human who 21 was modeled after was what you said.

    What about it?

  • Navok76

    Eh, looks like we won’t see Vegito in DBS anime since vegeta will be eliminated before that happens, i hope DBS manga does it though

  • randy191993

    It’s definitely not the exact same formw ith blue on top of it. He’s not even nearly as strong as Goku was in UI. UI is by Whis definition a state you take when your body moves on it’s own, without any input, on instinct alone. Hence it#s name ultra INSTINCT. Vegeta doesn’t do that at all, he’s still the same ass that he always is, just with a powerboost. Yeah he’s stronger than before, but it’s not even nearly UI.

    It’s a Limit Breaker, but not UI. UI is Gokus form of Limit Breaker. Ultra Blue is Vegetas. They’re not the same.

  • umad

    we’ve already seen vegito. vegeta has gotten more than enough shine. stop being greedy.

  • umad

    yes it is. it’s referred to as such in the anime

  • Koibito888

    Yeah, because UI is NOT the form. UI is completely separate from the transformation. Goku is using TWO abilities in his new state. UI which is just a technique is a speed boost that causes no change in the body whatsoever and is only a speed boost.

    Goku’s transformation, the thing that gave him silver eyes with pupils, shinier hair, and a sparkling aura is a general power boost that is his limit breaker or ‘broken shell’ state. UI is NOT. Goku is using UI on top of his broken shell state just as Vegeta’s is Blue on top of it.

    The Grand Priest said Vegeta did the same exact thing as Goku. He broke his shell. Breaking your shell universally gives the eyes with pupils, shiny hair, and sparkly aura, and does NOT grant UI. The broken shell state is universally the same thing. The different abilities they are using with it is the difference.

  • Koibito888

    Goku’s broken shell state that gives him silver eyes and a sparkly aura is, that’s not UI though.

  • The FLASH

    Nice, not even 20miles from my house 😉

  • Doobieastray

    I can’t wait to watch. Hopefully we see a diverse top 8 and not just top tier whores.