Dragon Ball FighterZ: Digital Sales and Physical Shipments Eclipse 2 Million

Posted on February 1, 2018

Wow! Bandai Namco Entertainment has announced the sales for the Arc System Works-developed Dragon Ball FighterZ now eclipse 2 million copies worldwide! This figure includes physical shipments and digital sales. That’s less than a week to surpass this huge milestone as Dragon Ball FighterZ was released on Friday, January 26, 2018 in North America and Europe and was just released in many Asian countries, including Japan, earlier today.

This is the fastest selling game in the Dragon ball franchise to date. A big congratulations to both Bandai Namco Entertainment and Arc System Works!

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Dragon Ball FighterZ is a 3-vs-3 team battle fighting game by Arc System Works, the same developer as the acclaimed Guilty Gear fighting game franchise. Dragon Ball FighterZ delivers an explosive, action-packed game that combines classic 2D fighting with advanced 3D character models that look and feel as if they are straight out of the Dragon Ball series. It incorporates ultra high-speed battles and various flashy moves, including Goku’s iconic Kamehameha. Dragon Ball FighterZ was published by Bandai Namco Entertainment on January 26, 2018 in North America and Europe and on February 1, 2018 in Japan.

  • Element115Will

    Awesome! Game is fun as hell as well!

  • Mugetsu a’k’a SS4 Gohan

    I love Dragon Ball FighterZ but I feel like we need customs for the characters.

  • Navok76

    i wished if the trailer with “we were angels” didn’t spoil anything about the dramatic finishes.. i got disappointed after i knew that those are the only ones in in the game (beside nappa getting yamcha’d by yamcha)

  • Navok76

    Base form vegeta and goku as costumes are welcomed

  • KDG

    Is anyone else curious as to exactly how strong Toppo is? I’d imagine even as a God of Destruction, he’s probably still weaker than Jiren. Yet, three Destroyers sparred on the fighting stage to test the arena’s durability pre-tournament and barely managed to do any substantial damage; Toppo, with one attack, just completely cracked the entire stage in half.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Oh so he does have god ki

  • KDG

    More than that; Toppo has Destroyer ki that can envelop his body and destroy/erase any ki attacks that come into physical contact with his body, and the ability to use Hakai.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Sorry domt know what that is but okay, I was right he did have god ki

  • Anthony_weaver86

    The moment is almost upon us, black panther the revolution will be live

  • KDG

    Hakai is Destruction – the ability unique to Gods of Destruction, which allows them to instantly destroy anyone and almost anything. Those who are unfortunate enough to be on the wrong side of this ability do not simply die. They cease to exist altogether, as if they were erased by Zeno himself. Current era Zamasu fell prey to this technique at the hands of Beerus, after his plan to kill Gowasu is discovered and proven.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Wait so does that mean memories of that person is also erase, if that’s the case why were they still fighting him and knew who he was?

  • KDG

    Well, just as when Zeno erases someone from existence, everyone else’s memory of that person’s (or universe’s) former existence remains. That person just no longer exists. Additionally, as explained way back in Z during the Android Saga, what happens in one timeline does not effect any alternate timelines that exist. So Beerus’ complete destruction of the current era’s Zamasu did nothing to effect the Zamasu/Black of the future who was busy laying waste to Trunks’ timeline 20 years into the future. The technique really does nothing other than utterly destroy its intended target, both body and soul, preventing them from even having an afterlife. The only difference between a Destroyer’s Hakai/Destruction ability and Zeno’s erasure ability is that Zeno can erase even an immortal, whereas Hakai cannot. So if Beerus were to try it on Future Zamasu who had gained immortality through use of the Super Dragon Balls, it would not be effective.

  • PurexedSolitude;

    Great game, trash players.

    Though not surprising.

  • The FLASH

    Was confirmed to be in Evo tournament not too long ago which is amazing. So proud a shonen anime made it in there. If only cc2 step up their game but it seems they’re clearly too lazy with that joke boruto game.

  • Koibito888

    I think that’s more a testament to the destructive capabilities of Destruction Ki. The gods cracked it with their regular God Ki (as in not using Hakkai) and physical attacks. I don’t think Toppo is stronger than them, or at least all of them. Like maybe the weaker ones but for instance I would think Toppo is still weaker than Beerus who is probably only very slightly weaker than Belmod who is still weaker than Jiren. I think Toppo’s destruction Ki just shows off what Hakkai in general can do, Beerus implied that Toppo needed to charge and therefore he can’t have the same mastery over it that Beerus does and being in training still I doubt he surpasses Belmod so all in all that’s where I’d place him.

  • Patrick Beanman Martin

    He was confirmed to have God Ki in the manga where he turned it on and off like a toggle.

  • LoveAnimation

    I hope this will really help the chances of Dragon Ball Super returning or that we will get a new Dragon Ball anime.
    Why end something that earn them so much money and is so popular right now?

  • maxethan

    Because i think your the only one in this world that want and SHITTY anime like DBS to continue as they did until now.
    and the game will change nothing. And because of you, who want that quality with animation, we have DBS. fortunatly i’am born in the good years. DB – DBZ. thks god.

  • Insanity_Norm

    There was an interview that Toriyama did and he wasn’t happy with how Toei was running the anime + quality of the anime and etc. As much praise it may have gotten, DBS has gotten it’s fair share of criticism and legit criticism at that. So I think that’s why it might have been put on hold.

  • Insanity_Norm

    Good to see a childhood favorite anime doing well and bringing a legit fighting game for DB franchise.

  • Ahtma

    Dash guards are great, I don’t know what you’re talking about.

  • Ahtma

    I hope you realize that DBS at its best is some of the best that the entire series has ever been at.

  • The FLASH

    So great it’s banned from the tournament.

  • The FLASH

    Mhm. So great it’s banned from ESL tournaments.

    Forgot links are not allowed here. Oh well, your weak opinion isn’t worth the effort.

  • Ahtma

    Remove the three W’s and capitalize the Com. Also try to make an effort to be less of an ass.

  • Ahtma

    Looked into what you meant with “dash guard” because I was unclear on it and it turns out that I misinterpreted it. I’ll go ahead and say that’s my bad.

  • Emmerson Samson

    Thanks for being a good sport.

  • GoodLoserKumagawa

    Shut your mouth, you fairy tale believer lmao.

  • KDG

    Dragon Ball Super has had a run of over 100 episodes. It’s pretty obvious he’s not the only one in the world who wants it to continue.

  • Rafty

    lol you really hyped for it huh?

  • Rafty

    yeah he kinda speaks weeb so to normies it’s confusing lol.

    but yeah in both anime and manga gave hints to him having god ki but the manga just out right let him use it against goku.
    (tho him transforming is/was new)

  • Anthony_weaver86

    YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAS

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Oh okay

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Oh so it’s just a regular ki blast but can destroy the soul, okay so nothing really special

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Okay thanks

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Okay I have a question is ki and God ki any different from each other? Like chakra and sage/bijuu powers

  • KDG

    It’s some form of God ki at the very least. Like any normal ki technique, depending on the user’s level of mastery, it may or may not take time to charge. In Toppo’s case, as noted by Beerus, he requires a certain amount of time to charge for each usage of Hakai. I’d imagine that isn’t a problem for the established Destroyers who have been Gods for thousands of years and have been trained by their respective Angels throughout the duration of their position as Destroyer Gods.

  • KDG

    I was thinking the same thing, in regards to the destructive capabilities of Destruction Ki, except for one thing that stood out to me: the Destruction blast Toppo fired at Frieza exploded as Frieza attempted to hold it back. The force of the explosion was what cracked the stage, as opposed to the stage being destroyed by the Hakai itself which seems to erase what it comes into contact with, rather than blowing things up. I agree that Toppo likely is not stronger than the other Destroyers. I am also aware that the other Destroyers fought with their regular God ki during their scrimmage. However, I think there is definitely something to be said about the fact that Toppo was able to crack the entire stage single-handed while three of the top-tier Destroyers whose universes were exempt from participation did less damage while sparring. Mind you, those same three Destroyers were sparring on the stage for the sole purpose of testing the durability of said fighting stage, so it stands to reason that they were TRYING to break the stage at least to some extent. Toppo is definitely considerably powerful. If he’d had as much training as the other Destroyers, there is no doubt in my mind he would have surpassed at least half of them, especially Champa.

  • KDG

    And what, might I ask, is “weeb” speak?

  • KDG

    God Ki can be achieved and mastered by a mortal by said mortal learning to power up while simultaneously condensing their ki and keeping it inside their body, as opposed to letting it leak out (into an aura) of their body. It’s basically the purest form of regular ki.

  • KDG

    Actually CyberConnect2 has nothing to do with the Boruto game currently under development. Naruto to Boruto: Shinobi Striker is being developed by Soleil Ltd., not CyberConnect2.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    And is it like a saperate storage from the two?

  • KDG

    Good question. I don’t think they’ve gone in-depth enough with God ki to adequately answer that question. I don’t believe the two are stored separately, as Goku needed to recover his stamina and ki to be able to access each individual Super Saiyan form during his battle with Caulifla and Kale, including Super Saiyan God/Blue. Had they been stored separately, he likely would have still had enough ki for normal transformations following his initial loss against Jiren. Frieza was able to slightly replenish Goku’s ki and stamina by sharing his own ki with Goku.

    I’d imagine it’s not a permanent conversion, as Goku and Vegeta are clearly still capable of utilizing normal ki in their base forms, and non-God Super Saiyan forms respectively. If I had to guess, I’d say God ki only becomes God ki during the moments when a fighter willfully condenses their ki and converts it into God ki. When they are no longer keeping their ki condensed inside of their bodies during battle, their God ki likely reverts back to normal ki.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Well maybe it’s like spiritual energy from Yu Yu Hakusho where you can have three kinds of energy, normal for human beings, demon energy, and sacred/god energy. Granted you just explained the whole process of having god ki but as we have seen Goku and Vegeta don’t always use god ki in their base form let alone in their regular ss forms, in fact seeing as ssg is a form that can be achieved (due to the writer and recot) ssg is pretty much Goku adding god ki in his base form and blue is super saiyan with God ki.

  • KDG

    I suppose you can liken God ki to Sacred Energy from Yu Yu Hakusho. Now that you mention it, they have several similarities: the pressure from God ki, like Sacred Energy, is significantly stronger than normal ki.God ki is also the purest form of ki, just as Sacred Energy is the purest form of Spirit Energy. And they both require certain training. The main difference between the two would be that Sacred Energy requires its potential users to be receptive to it, as well as possessing an inherent desire to “correct the world.” No such requirement has been mentioned for acquiring God ki.

  • maxethan

    whuuuuut,, you can just die with your DBS, its a shame for DB fan. And fairytail is EVEN WORST !!!
    I hope you realized that DBS is just an anime to continue selling action figurine of goku for CHILDREN.
    And trust me, it’s not because a lot of people is ok with that, that its mean its good. Look at “trump” ahaha
    DBS is pretty much the same thing. A lot of people like it, but i believe a lot of people have shitty taste.

  • The FLASH

    That’s good to hear. #Hope

  • The FLASH

    Still my fault for insulting. NB forum has made me more uptight than usual.

  • General Ru「Little Context」

    Long time no see

  • Ryumancer

    Better than stupid GT was. XD

  • Ahtma

    Please, do show me a fight from a previous part of the series that’s animated better than Goku vs Jiren.

  • Koibito888

    Yeah there’s definitely something to be said about it. It’s just yeah we do gotta keep in mind it was their regular god ki off hand shots and clashes with each other that broke apart the stage while it was toppo’s full power and destruction ki that did this. And yeah explosive force split it too but I’m sure the destructive ki helped.

    Yeah I can imagine he can take out the likes of champa and… universe 4 mouse who’s name escapes me for the moment.. but like I think he is still weaker than Beerus.

    I really wanna know what’s up with toppo transforming. We’ve seen multiple gods producing destruction energy and using hakkai (like the move) and it doesn’t do that. That is not destruction ki specific it’s definitely toppo specific.

  • KDG

    I believe Quitela is the mouse. I could see Toppo outclassing Quitela, Champa, and Sidra. Definitely not Beerus or Belmod.

    As for the transformation, there is a good possibility that it is Toppo specific, but it’s still hard to determine if this is truly the case. After all, we’ve never seen any of the current Destroyers BECOME Gods of Destruction for the first time.

  • Koibito888

    Yeah thats it. I knew it was the one whos name was based on tequila but I kept thinking it started with ‘T’ and knew that wasn’t right lol. But yeah the ones like them I can see. I think he’s slightly weaker than Beerus at best and as such I believe that Vegeta and Goku being able to beat him (assuming this week Vegeta does in fact beat him with his final move or what have you as has been hinted) will put them just below or right at Beerus level.

    And yeah we havent seen them become it for the first time but the fact that we’ve seen it used with no transformation means that using it does not automatically create this form.

    It is possible it’s like a full power state of destructive Ki and ergo a full power God of Destruction state that they can all do, and as such Toppo can only reach it at full power unlike Beerus who can use the energy casually without having to go into a full power state. God Ki in of itself is basically a technique – a way to compress Ki and in the case of Saiyans it influences their appearance in a transformed state. If Destructive Ki is like that but more so compressed like we theorized, then it could very well be the same thing. The only issue is no one really called that out, no one was like oh crap he’s using that form, it was ‘oh crap he’s using destructive Ki in general’.

    Personally I’m thinking Toppo specific or Toppo’s race specific. If anything just all the GoDs getting a form is a bit much and honestly sounds fanfictiony. Also I don’t want anything to validate a transformation with markings on the body that anyone could get meaning that Goku could get it. We dont need Goku ever even having the possibility of getting a form with markings on his body like that awful fanfic design that’s out there, even if he wouldn’t get it anyway.

    Just seems more DBZ-like if it’s not yet another thing everyone can get (as in they can get the destructive ki but not the form)

  • KDG

    Yeah, it’s most likely Toppo-exclusive. I used to constantly make fun of his beer belly, and now he’s super ripped. He gave Frieza one hell of a beating. You’re right though, no one really made any note of the fact that he transformed, but they immediately recognized the God ki just as they were able to surmise that Goku was using Ultra Instinct based off his movements. So the trasnformation is probably exclusive to Toppo (or his race), as Goku’s limit breaker form seems to be exclusive to him. Well, here’s to hoping Vegeta kicks his ass and surpasses God of Destruction level. I’d love to see how he plans on doing so with Toppo clad in Destruction ki.

  • Ryumancer

    Same here. Here’s hoping Vegeta outlasts Frieza and 17 as well.

  • Ryumancer

    Trash players? As in their skill level or their behavior? I was just curious. Not snapping at you or anything.

  • anonymous

    Does King kai have this same God ki? Also every time a non-god needs to tap into God ki (like transforming to SSG, or Toppo’s god form) should they condense their ki?

  • KDG

    You act as if Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z were masterpieces. They weren’t. Dragon Ball was somewhat decent for what it was, and Dragon Ball Z was full of retcons, almost non-existent character development, terrible post-Frieza villains almost completely devoid of any real motivation for their actions, and plots/characters who were routinely forgotten by their author. Just because you’re a Dragon Ball fan does not mean it was good. -_-

  • KDG

    Nothing’s been confirmed, but I’d imagine that as a Kai, King Kai inherently has access to some form of God ki. Unfortunately we’ve never seen him do battle. But he is weaker than Saiyan Saga Vegeta and Nappa, so maybe he hasn’t mastered the use of ki or God ki. You know what they say: those who can, do, and those who can’t, teach.

    I believe that each time one utilizes God ki, or transformations that utilize God ki, they are required to condense their normal ki in order to convert it into God ki. Doing so likely becomes easier and quicker with greater mastery over God ki use.

  • KDG

    I have a feeling Toppo will be getting rid of Frieza and 17 tonight.

  • anonymous

    It’s ironic that a god doesn’t have pure God ki, if what you said is confirmed. I still don’t get how simply condensing ki makes you stronger. It still is the same ki you previously had. I can only think that it makes your attacks a lot more powerful but drains you a lot quicker like how Toppo needed only a drop of God ki to destroy Frieza’s planet destroyer ball.

  • anonymous

    I just watched the episode xD

  • KDG

    My assumption is that condensing the ki makes it more potent and powerful, and mastering keeping it contained in one’s body makes their body stronger and grants them access to the entirety of their ki’s power, as well as perfect ki control. Normally fighters allow their ki to spill out, which is what causes the intense violent aura we’ve grown accustomed to seeing over the past two decades. It’s true that using God ki does drain its users a lot quicker, as evidenced by the fact that simply showing Cabba his Super Saiyan Blue form drained Vegeta of so much energy, he didn’t have access to anywhere near his full power just moments later when he fought Hit.

    As for King Kai, he’s basically the lowest level on the Kai heirarchy. If he does have access to God ki, I’d venture to say it’s not a lot. God or not, at best he’s still barely stronger than Raditz.

  • NiggaSavage

    They need to go ahead and bring this over to Switch.

  • maxethan

    iam sorry but if there is ONE THINGS that dragon ball super did well, its certainly NOT the animation !! come on ! its just awfull. Eveyone is hyped by one or two episode !! in more than 100 ! there is no style, everything in cheap computer animation. you have 40 episode animated like an hentai, and ONE good episode.

  • maxethan

    its not about that, its about having something “good”. Somethinf epic. Its not a seriouse anime anymore. Its funny, vegeta dance, goku is the dumbest men on univers, gohan…please…die, goten and trunk are now regular kids ?! who play and…like play… vegeta cooking…beerus season one ? no danger. here is a cake and over !
    gold freezer ? good animation in the movie “goku vs freezer”. that’s it !
    The only good part, is with black. And its just correct because we feel that there are in trouble. but the tournament…men its just funny. Everyone is having fun !
    I feel like watching somethinf for kid now. I do not feel that with dbz and db. Its old, but its seriouse, its stylish in battle, goku is SMART, gohan epic, vegeta prince of saiyan and not dancer and cooker…damn !
    Its not dragon ball anymore. Its anime made by TOEI, to continue selling goodies and making video game. and for the kids the morning before school…

  • maxethan

    and OF COURSE in 2018 we make better animation ! please !
    Dbs have 1 good animation in fight every 40 episode !!
    lol they put everything in 10min in one episode, and everyone is happy !
    What i said was only for people from my age (25). I understand than kids like DBS. But not me as an adult. Its just…funny now !

  • Ahtma

    Was Z’s animation any better though on a regular basis? Over a third of Dragon Ball, Z, and GT were animated by one guy, Masayuki Uchiyama, and after they took Naotoshi Shida off his team around the Androids there was zero redeeming qualities to his episodes. Super has certainly had a rocky time but if you sincerely believe only “1 in 40” episodes is animated well you haven’t actually watched the show.

  • KDG

    Okay let’s address your concerns, shall we?

    Vegeta dancing: It’s called character development. Vegeta went from a ruthless, cold-hearted Saiyan who only valued strength and pride, to a family man who is willing to swallow the pride he holds so dear and sacred to him in order to protect his family from a selfish deity who expunges life at his whim without the least of remorse or care. Is it stupid? Sure. But you’ll understand some day when you become a father. He’s willing to do anything for his family. Remember in Z when Vegeta was almost entirely against fusing with Goku to fight Super Buu, until Goku mentioned that Buu swallowed their sons and now they can’t even die in peace? Not much different fundamentally.

    Goku is dumb: It’s called consistency. Regardless of what the English dub might have portrayed Goku as, Goku has pretty much always been dumb. Did you know he married Chichi because he thought marriage was a food? Yeah, he’s no brain surgeon. Never has been.

    Gohan: People complain about how Gohan turned out constantly, since way before Dragon Ball Super was even thought of. You know the one thing those same complaining people keep managing to forget? Gohan has NEVER been a warrior, at least not out of any desire to be one. Adult Gohan is exactly as he should be; a nerd with no desire to fight. Again, it’s called consistency. From the fight with Raditz, to Piccolo kidnapping and training him, to the battle against Nappa and Vegeta, on through the Namekian, Android, and Cell Sagas, the one constant about Gohan other than his explosive temper is his gentle spirit and desire to live in peace without fighting and losing friends. His few bad ass moments do not change who he is. Gohan does not want to be a fighter. Never has, never will. He’s only ever done so out of necessity. Or do you not remember him begging and pleading with Cell to stop what he was doing prior to his epic Super Saiyan 2 transformation

    Goten and Trunks like to play: Dude, they are CHILDREN. Saiyan or not, they are children. The only real danger either of them have ever known was during the Majin Buu Saga, which lasted all of a week or two at most, DBZ time. Of course they like to play. All they have ever really known was peace. If you’re complaining that children like to play, I can only imagine what your expectations are regarding children.

    Beerus – no danger: He was about to destroy Earth if not for Goku becoming a Super Saiyan God and giving him the fight he wanted. I’d say that was pretty dangerous.

    Tournament of Power: Exactly who is having fun besides Goku? He is literally the only one who is fighting out of pure enjoyment. These people are all fighting for the right to EXIST. Not to mention Zeno has already erased 6 entire universes. That is trillions upon trillions of lives all expunged.

  • KDG

    I’m older than you and I enjoy Dragon Ball Super for what it is. Your age has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not you like something.

  • KDG

    Not to mention Dragon Ball Z’s many fight scenes were mostly a copy and paste of a few fast punches and kicks here and there. Dragon Ball Z’s fights absolutely were not consistently animated with quality. That requires way too much money.

  • anonymous

    If you go by the manga though (since you pointed out Vegeta vs Hit), condensing ki till there is no aura is what they explain as mastered forms (like mastered ssj against cell, mastered ssb against zamasu). If we go by your assumption, wouldn’t Ultimate Gohan be using God ki? I mean he was able to have a ki stronger than Super Buu (obviously leagues ahead of King Kai, and > Supreme Kai) without any aura coming out of his body.

  • Ahtma

    They use it as a homage sometimes in Super but my favorite animation trick they used in Z all the time was spinning the background in a scene where the character is rushing towards the camera so it tricks you into thinking there’s a lot more happening on screen.

  • KDG

    Like when Ultimate Gohan flew at Super Buu and kicked him in the face?

  • KDG

    I never much read the manga back when I used to watch Dragon Ball Z, so I’m not sure I can really comment on that without a little research. However, in regards to Mastered Super Saiyan, in the anime mastery over Super Saiyan wasn’t so much Goku and Gohan learning to condense their ki, but rather they remained in Super Saiyan form at all times in order to make the form feel natural. That way, they could transform in and out of Super Saiyan without the heavy stamina drain that comes with the act of transforming. If Mastered Super Saiyan Blue is anything like that, then it has nothing to do with ki condensation, and more to do with simply holding the form until the strain it puts on the body lessens. It’s like lifting heavy weights until you’re so strong that the act of lifting the weight no longer results in sore muscles.

    Gohan did in fact have an aura when he fought Majin Buu. It simply wasn’t on the whole time. Watch the full fight of Ultimate Gohan and Super Buu, and you’ll see during the moment when Gohan and Buu are fighting inside the cave of a mountain Buu pushed Gohan into. When Gohan blocks Buu’s punch, he powers up before throwing him into the air and smacking him down. At that moment, Gohan has a white aura.

  • anonymous

    oh sorry my bad, I was referring to only dbs manga where they explain mastered ssb (and extended it to cell saga ssj), I haven’t gone through dbz manga attentively.

  • KDG

    No worries. Honestly there are a ton of differences between the Dragon Ball Super manga and its anime, as I’m sure you’ve realized by now. The anime has yet to touch base on Mastered Super Saiyan Blue, though many have basically speculated based off the anime that Vegeta’s current new form is Mastered Super Saiyan Blue from the manga.

  • KDG

    Lol. Maybe it’s just me, but I never thought GT was that bad. I think the execution was poor, but ultimately I liked a lot of the character designs and plot concepts. I think a better writing staff could have made GT better while still retaining the plots and ideas that I thought were pretty good. And they definitely should have made Pan a Super Saiyan. It’s ridiculous that they didn’t.

  • anonymous

    Anyway, about Gohan from your previous reply, yes there was aura at times, but he did strike very strong punches onto Super buu, without any aura at all. This means he had more ki in his body than Supreme Kai (and no aura too), which according to your explanation would be Gohan using God ki. I would think of his aura appearing as gathering way too much energy that his body cannot hold it inside any longer, and hence the aura.

  • KDG

    So we’re just going to pretend Frieza was eliminated, and not even show him in the episode 127 preview? Clearly he’s going to pop up out of nowhere in the next episode or so and do something sinister.

  • Ryumancer

    Strangely, he didn’t. :/

  • KDG

    Perhaps. Unfortunately that entire fight took place 23 years ago, roughly 20 years pre-Resurrection ‘F’, and the introduction of God ki as something that could be learned. I doubt God ki was on their mind back when Gohan was fighting Buu. Personally I think Gohan’s “Potential Unleashed” form is more a lesser form of Goku’s “Limit Breaker” form, and less anything Godly.

  • KDG

    Yup, thanks to Vegeta. I think the writers have plans for Frieza. He wasn’t eliminated, yet his presence has been completely ignored, and not even mentioned in the preview for the next episode. I can only assume this was deliberately done. Given that the next episode will heavily revolve around 17’s efforts against Jiren, I think it’s safe to assume 17 will be eliminated next week.

  • Ryumancer

    Its execution was unforgivable. SSJ4, Syn, Nova, Eis and Omega Shenron were that series’s only good points.

    Baby’s arc took up nearly half of the damn series with hardly any decent action until the climax. And most of the Shadow Dragons were a crappy joke.

    You were right about the concepts and designs. But the way it was written was such a kick in the gut.

    Super’s concepts and designs can be argued to be decently inferior, but its execution was done so much better.

  • KDG

    I think we can now safely conclude that Toppo’s transformation was just that – Toppo’s transformation. He completely reverted back to his chubbier self after being eliminated by Vegeta. Clearly it’s not some form that Destroyers initially take upon their first moments as Gods of Destruction.

  • Ryumancer

    Well it’s just as well. 17 lasted longer than he should’ve in my opinion.

  • anonymous

    Lol that is only adding more questions to my mind, like if Gohan was using God ki, he should have been stronger than Vegito back in Buu saga. I think it is better to not assume anything about God ki until the new movie or until Toriyama comments about it.
    Since you watched today’s episode as I can see from your spoiler tag above, I feel like condensing God ki gives you Ki of destruction (or an equivalent Ki) rather than regular ki to god ki since we saw how Vegeta was able to tank Toppo’s Hakai attacks by condensing his God Ki onto his wrist.

  • KDG

    The Shadow Dragons were a joke to be sure. I can agree with you on that. I can’t agree, however, that Super Saiyan 4, Syn, Nova, Eis, and Omega Shenron were the series’ only good points. I think the concept of Baby being a bio-engineered organism created by the Tuffles was decent. His desire to take over the universe and incorporate himself into every living being was kind of stupid. However, him taking Vegeta’s body, the Saiyan Prince of all people, was a form of poetic justice that I thought was kind of awesome. Unfortunately the execution of the Baby arc was… well it was mostly horrible admittedly.

    I also liked the concept of the Black Star Dragon Balls being spread throughout the universe, and destroying the planet they were last used on if not returned within a year. This brought back the much-needed and missed adventurous aspect of the Dragon Ball hunt that hasn’t been present in the franchise since post-Namek Dragon Ball Z. It also brought with it a sense of urgency, and even a consequence to using the Dragon Balls – something the Dragon Ball universe has been lacking from the very beginning.

    The concept of the Shadow Dragons and the corrupted Dragon Balls was another part of GT that I thought was awesome, and could have been infinitely better with better execution. It finally gave the Z Fighters a considerably catastrophic consequence to abusing the Dragon Balls over the years with countless wishes to revive the dead. One major thing that I feel the Dragon Ball universe did wrong was to allow the cast to almost constantly play God, reviving the dead at their whim and effectively undoing nature. There absolutely should be a consequence to using the Dragon Balls, especially when using them to revive the dead.

    Super Saiyan 4 and Golden Great Ape were awesome in that they brought back what the actual true power of the Saiyans were originally: their tails and the transformation that comes with it. It was nice seeing what was basically a Super Saiyan and Oozaru hybrid.

    Super 17 had a cool character design. Unfortunately his execution was the worst of them all to me. There’s no reason two Androids whose individual powers are significantly less than that of Imperfect Cell’s should be able to fuse and beat up a Super Saiyan 4. It just didn’t make any sense. That and the fact that he was created in Hell where Gero and Myuu should not have even had the resources to build any damn thing.

    All in all though, as I said before, GT could have been amazing if the plots and concepts had better execution. They had some brilliant ideas. But they also had some terrible writers.

  • KDG

    Personally I figured he would make it to the end. That much made sense to me. When you consider that the Tournament of Power is a large-scale battle royale where the contestants are fighting nonstop for 48 minutes, it would make sense that an Android with infinite energy would outlast the majority of the fighters who had to worry about their stamina above most things. The fact that he never had to rest was a rare asset to Team 7. Unfortunately I think that trait of his was under utilized. Personally I’d be hiding in the shadows throughout the tournament, constantly supplying Goku and Vegeta with ki. When you can’t run out of ki, might as well share the wealth with the stronger fighters. Besides, 17 has grown immensely since the Android Saga, and was able to fight against Super Saiyan Blue Goku.

  • anonymous

    “There’s no reason two Androids whose individual powers are significantly less than that of Imperfect Cell’s should be able to fuse and beat up a Super Saiyan 4.”
    > They did give an explanation in GT for that, being Goku was constantly throwing ki blasts which super 17 absorbed. Goku became weaker at the same time super 17 became stronger. That was the only reason why he got stronger than SSJ4. Rest of the arc was just like you described though.

  • KDG

    Ah, right. I forgot about that. He did absorb a great deal of Goku’s ki during that battle.

  • KDG

    Since you mention that, I was thinking earlier as I watched, it’s clear that Destruction ki is some form of God ki. As you said, it is likely a more condensed form of God ki. Clearly it’s not able to instantly destroy all that it touches. Like any other form of ki, it’s obviously less effective against someone of a greater or stronger ki level. I think this episode confirms that a God of Destruction isn’t able to destroy someone who is stronger than themselves. Vegeta made quick work of Toppo and his Hakai blasts.

    Now we know, Destruction cannot destroy an immortal, nor can it destroy someone stronger than the user.

  • anonymous

    I am not too sure about that. I think the attack that Beerus used against Zamasu is different since there was no energy blast coming out of his body. He just said “HAKAI” and Zamasu vaporized with there being no form of energy coming out of Beerus, and Sidra was similar too when he destroyed a planet. Maybe the God with the official title has this as an extra ability which can destroy beings stronger than him (not the immortal ones though). But really nothing can be said for certain.

  • KDG

    The thing is Beerus was stronger than Zamasu. Like significantly stronger than Zamasu. The Zamasu that Beerus destroyed was the exact same Zamasu that Goku defeated while in his lesser Super Saiyan state. Zamasu wasn’t very powerful in general, which is why he eventually decides to steal Goku’s body. Also, planets are weaker than most fighters. If you’ll recall, the same Gallick Gun that was overpowered by Goku’s Kaioken x4 Kamehameha was intended to blow up the Earth. Vegeta has been destroying whole planets since he was a child. Even Raditz was strong enough to blow up a planet, so I imagine Sidra didn’t require any effort to destroy one. Despite all of what we’ve seen Hakai being able to destroy, it did nothing against Vegeta who is clearly stronger than Toppo. I’m willing to bet someone as powerful as Beerus or Belmod would have been able to destroy Vegeta with it. Another supporting piece of evidence to this theory is the fact that, as noted by Beerus, Toppo requires a certain amount of time to charge his Destroyer ki each time he attempts to use Hakai. So, like any form of ki, it’s probably only as powerful and effective as the user. So long as someone is stronger than the Destroyer using Hakai, they should be capable of surviving or even negating it. I doubt Jiren has much to worry about when it comes to being on the wrong side of a Hakai blast.

  • anonymous

    There is a huge difference between what Sidra does and what the others do. Even Frieza’s attack only hits the planet core triggering a series of explosions on the planet leading to it exploding Planets are actually quite strong since the Earth was strong enough to kill Kid Buu.. What Sidra does is basically erase all material mass of the planet. By the way, that wasn’t what I meant. Toppo’s hakai releases a ki blast that destroys upon contact and which can be countered by stronger fighters. But Beerus and Sidra, when they used Hakai did not shoot out a ki blast. They used it like a magical word and it just erases matter off. Since there was no ki blast, there is no defence against the move which Beerus and Sidra use. But in case of Toppo, by tanking the ki blast, stronger fighter can avoid destruction. . This is only another possibility though, purely head-canon.

  • KDG

    The collective energy of Earth’s inhabitants was what was strong enough to kill Kid Buu. The planet itself wasn’t strong enough, as Kid Buu survived blowing up the Earth while he himself was standing on it. Even Frieza managed to survive the explosion of Planet Namek with only half a body.

    As for Hakai, you could be right. We need some sort of confirmation as to whether or not those instances of Beerus’ and Sidra’s usage of Hakai is different than the ki blast-like Hakai that was fired by Toppo. Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if Toriyama decides not to ever mention it until he’s on his death bed. Took him over 20 years to come up with that “S Cells” crap to explain Super Saiyan after all.

  • anonymous

    I kinda had a different opinion, again purely head-canon and a bit scientific (but I’m only 18 so feel free to correct me if I am scientifically wrong) – I think when a planet explodes a lot of energy is wasted on it’s own mass, but when Goku used a spirit bomb, he gathered pure unwasted energy from the people, which did a better job against Buu. As for Frieza, surviving Namek’s explosion (especially after getting that final blast from Goku) was one of the dumbest things for me in Z.

  • Ryumancer

    I think just normal energy (ki) is different from GENKI, which is why they aren’t able to constantly supply other people with their infinite energy or stamina. Incompatible energy sources have to be the cause here.

  • Ryumancer

    All good points. On your last paragraph though, wouldn’t Vegeta, Cabba, Caulifla, and Kale all have a decent amount of enjoyment as they are all full-blooded Saiyans as well? Sure Vegeta and Cabba made a pact to revive the other’s universe should they win, but Caulifla seemed aloof, just like Goku.

  • Ryumancer

    Sure. I can agree with most of that.

  • KDG

    As Saiyans, one would think that Vegeta, Cabba, Caulifla, and Kale were enjoying the tournament. However, with the exception of Caulifla, no one seemed to be enjoying anything. Vegeta has maintained his mean and grumpy demeanor, Cabba seemed more concerned with the fact that losing means erasure, and Kale hasn’t really enjoyed any of the fighting, as she’s been more concerned with meeting Caulifla’s expectations of her. Caulifla is the female Universe 6 equivalent of Goku it seems. She’s the only other Saiyan who has been fighting with pure enjoyment and delight. And now she’s non-existent.

  • Ryumancer

    Well, Kefla enjoyed it too if you count fusions but yeah I understood what you mean. I can see what you talk about the U6 Saiyans. But Vegeta still had to enjoy it somewhat. He had to have been getting pumped up.

    I swear Caulifla and Goku would have the best sex if either of them were aware of that kind of attraction or arousal. Chi-Chi would be cheated on in a minute in the the “heat of battle” between the two. Hell, if Dragonball were written in more detail and in a less cheerful tone, I’d see more of an explanation about Saiyan pheromones and stuff being prevalent. lol

  • Koibito888

    Yeah most definitely.

    But there’s still definitely no way goku’s form is exclusive to him.

  • Koibito888

    No. It’s literally a compressed state of ki directly explained to be created by holding in all your ki and raising it. It’s just regular ki not a separate type like Sage chakra.

  • Koibito888

    See goku won’t be able to beat jiren and frieza will end up saving them all by having 2 to 1 at the end lol

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Read below

  • Anthony_weaver86

    God ki is pretty irrelevant just like the scouter

  • Mugetsu a’k’a SS4 Gohan

    So I just discussed with a friend animation and stuff. For 3 hours. Until a point he said that Akira Toriyama draw every single Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z episode by himself and he should come back to draw dragon Ball super…… I was quiet for a moment and applauded him

  • anonymous

    You should have told him – “that’s the exact reason why DBS is ending”.

  • Mugetsu a’k’a SS4 Gohan

    I know right xD

  • PurexedSolitude;

    Both but mostly behavior.

    They’ll just wait for you to dash to attack beneath your feet or hit you in the air.

    Similar to Storm.

    Granted I do the same only once in a while, however.

    It really ruins my experience.

  • PurexedSolitude;

    I’m not expecting much from anyone other than Goku tbh.

    I’m curious as to how this battle is going to last until March though.

  • Ahtma

    Goku doing that was completely out of character. He’s already encountered an energy-absorbing android before who got stronger after eating his Kamehameha, I don’t think a fighting-rational Goku would practically feed Super 17 energy.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Also they are different from the other

  • Ryumancer

    I see. Sounds similar to my experiences with Super Smash Bros.

  • Ryumancer

    Huh? I don’t get that.

  • Ryumancer

    Toriyama will always be one of the kings of the industry.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Vs battle
    The Amazons vs Dora Milaje, who would win?

    No wonder woman or any amazing using magical artifacts, only their own skills, armor, and weapons

  • Yomi

    oh lawd

  • anonymous

    I agree, but he didn’t know super 17 was also an energy absorbing model. In Z Yamcha had to tell him about the absorption, but in GT he had to figure it out himself. They even showed Goku realizing on his own that 17 had been absorbing his attacks, but it was already too late. I wouldn’t call that out of character. You should also note that unlike with android 19, super 17’s whole torso was absorbing attacks which may not be so apparent. But the way he killed super 17 using 18’s infinite energy was pretty smart of Goku.

  • anonymous

    He meant that his friend believed Toriyama drew each episode (of the anime) of DB and DBZ, while Super’s animation is not done by him, which he doesn’t like.

  • Ahtma

    Goku watched 19 suck in a whole Kamehameha. If Yamcha didn’t yell that’s what he did I’m still pretty positive that Goku would’ve picked up on it.

  • anonymous

    I never said he wouldn’t realize. He realized that in case of Super 17 too, but it was too late. Moreover, android 17 is supposed to have infinite energy, so there was no reason for Super 17 to be an energy absorber. If anything, the way GT designed Super 17 was flawed, but it has nothing to do with Goku’s battle smartness.

  • anonymous

    I think they are taking a couple of breaks since we only have 5 more episodes. It’s not going to be very long. 4 episodes at most of fighting (assuming the last episode focuses on everything set right) – An episode for 17’s elimination, maybe one for Vegeta’s elimination, 1 focusing Goku getting back UI, 1 focusing on Frieza’s plan.

  • Ahtma

    He didn’t know beforehand that 19 could absorb energy. It’s only after 19 sucks the Kamehameha in that he sees it and then gets the explanation from the group. He stances up for another one afterwards but I chalk that up to the fact that he was in the middle of having a heart attack and probably wasn’t thinking straight.

  • Mugetsu a’k’a SS4 Gohan

    Exactly. He calls himself the number one dragon ball fan. We aren’t friends anymore between

  • Koibito888

    Dbz has always been about limits and ways to trick and push against those limits. Ki is not like chakra where there’s a limit, ki is like a muscle it can just keep working till it rips but there is still a limit to how much you can output and how much you can hold. I think of it as condensing the ki not only makes it more potent like you said but basically, in a very crude way to explain it, gives more space to hold more ki sort of.

    Once you hit the limit of outward the only way to go is inward as it were.

    As for king kai and such, I imagine the gods are born with their ki naturally produced inward. But in the same way that someone without god ki can be stronger than a god, someone with god ki can be weaker than someone who isn’t.

  • Ahtma

    I mean, he did the manga so in a way he kind of did. That’s reaching though.

  • Ahtma

    Or Goku and Jiren ring eachother out at the same time only for Frieza to pop out of nowhere and win the tournament for U7.

  • Koibito888

    I did read below and still. God ki is compressed regular ki.

  • Navok76

    Say what you want but as long as there is time limit i think both U11 and U7 gonna tie if only Jiren and goku remained in the arena ( and am sure they will because both have the same power)

  • Navok76

    I think Jiren will be able to detect Frieza’s power and kick him out (after vegeta) and fight UI goku until the end of time

  • KDG

    The same power? Jiren hasn’t even broken a sweat yet, and he has been simultaneously fighting the two most powerful fighters in Universe 7.

  • Navok76

    I mean Jiren in the end has to fight UI Goku who is gonna dodge all of his attacks

  • LoveAnimation

    I think the animation looks great most of the time.
    In the beginning there was ugly looking parts yea but that was a long time ago.
    Plenty of people love DBS and want it to continue so im not the only one.
    Also i was also born in the good years and watched the old shows a long time ago.

  • LoveAnimation

    Well i really hope they are just putting the show on hold to fix those things people have been complaining about and that its not over forever and we wont have a Dragon Ball anime anymore.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    but from what I heard god ki can erase someone normal ki can’t do that can it?

  • Ryumancer

    I’d say that’s part of it. I wouldn’t say that’s 100% of the case though. I think Toriyama will think of another explanation and reveal it in a future interview. :/

  • Koibito888

    Erase someone’s normal Ki, what? Where did you hear that from?

    If you mean like the latest thing that is ‘destruction energy’ which is a technique learned by Gods of Destruction.

  • Koibito888

    There’s not really any solid reason to think that.

    And even if there was, until that actually happens the explanation is in fact ‘holding in your Ki while raising it makes God Ki’. It is the in series explanation for what makes it and so that’s just the fact of the matter.

  • Koibito888

    It’s like ice to water, different states of the same exact substance.

  • Ryumancer

    Assuming something as a 100% fact when the full thing hasn’t been explained yet isn’t really the way to approach something.

    It’s like using a guess to explain Goku’s superhuman attributes as a kid with magic when he’s really an alien.

  • Koibito888

    Actually assuming gaps in information where there are none clearly presented is the worst way to go about things. I am not assuming something random as 100% fact, I am assuming that what we have been given as 100% fact is all the facts that there is.

    Assuming extra things is not the way to approach something in anime. Taking ONLY what is directly given as fact is.

    They clearly stated ‘holding in your Ki while raising it is the secret to God Ki’ and in three and a half whole arcs since then there has been no further hint of any further process than that. As such ‘holding in your ki while raising it being the secret to God Ki’ is 100% fact and assuming there is anything more to it than that is in fact just that, assuming and pure speculation.

  • Ryumancer

    What you just explained is a distinction without a difference. And for 2 decades there hasn’t been more information on Super Saiyans and how they are obtained as a transformation. But now, just suddenly, U6 Saiyans use that “tingly back” thing as an excuse and Toriyama gives an “S-cell” and a gentle environment as another explanation. It seems like you assume there won’t ever be anymore information on the subject of Godly ki, which is huge speculation on your part.

    Merely increasing the ki and holding it in wouldn’t likely completely explain why other people’s ki blasts flat out wouldn’t work on you when you have a GoD’s energy though, like how Frieza and 17’s attacks don’t work on Toppo after his transformation.

  • Koibito888

    Direct statements are facts until proven not to be so, not speculated until all info is gathered because info could ALWAYS be added and so by your logic nothing would ever be fact because it can always be changed. This way of thinking is completely wrong. Fiction is not real life where anything and everything is possible and we’ll never know it all, it is a concise story with established facts and the facts are what the story establishes as such. The facts are the facts, not what COULD BE the facts. Goku could have been an alien, but that was not a fact until it was established. What you’re describing now are indeed facts, NOW, they weren’t facts before. Toriyama’s new information as well as the ‘tingly back’ does in fact line up with a lot from canon but they were not in fact canon until they were directly confirmed.

    God Ki being held in and raised Ki is the facts until proven otherwise.

    As for what you’re talking about, you’re talking about Destruction Energy. Destruction Energy is in fact different from God Ki as proven by the fact that Goku and Vegeta have God Ki yet cannot auto destroy things and do not have this type of Ki. Merely condensing your Ki alone doesn’t explain destruction energy, but condensing your Ki has been shown and stated to create a far more potent and powerful form of regular Ki in God Ki. Destruction Ki is a different thing that has not been explained yet. We do know however that it is not a factor of all normal energy ‘doesn’t work’ because Vegeta’s Ki, without destruction energy, did in fact work against Toppo meaning it is a factor of strength and not automatic differences as if different types of energy. There are plenty of speculative ways to explain destructive Ki based on clues but the fact of the matter is that destruction ki does not equal God Ki as far as technique (though likely is yet another way of manipulating Ki instead of a different Ki but thats besides the point) and as such ‘holding in your Ki and raising it’ doesn’t need to explain Destruction Ki, it explains God Ki and it establishes that in the DBZ universe that holding in your Ki and raising it does in fact create a more powerful form of said Ki. As such these are the undeniable facts until new info is confirmed.

    I’m not assuming that there wont be anymore info on God Ki, I am saying until new info comes, the facts we are given are indeed the facts and nothing more is factual until it becomes so.

  • Ryumancer

    It can always be changed because it’s a work of fiction by an author who can be pretty inconsistent at times. That’s the main reason I figuratively say “Don’t count your chickens before they hatch”, because it could always be different later. If something already detailed like a Super Saiyan can have such drastic changes, imagine what something abstract like Godly ki could have later on.

    Vegeta’s attack against Toppo could be dismissed as a god fighting another god, just like Goku against Beerus. That was the whole reason Goku became a god in the first place, for his attacks and techniques to be able to actually fight Beerus off. And when Goku first became a god by way of the ritual, he didn’t have the ability to hold in his ki as he was still getting used to the form. If becoming a god were indeed 100% as simple as keeping your ki condensed, they likely would’ve stumbled upon that method quite a while ago before they even met Beerus. Goku and Gohan could’ve stumbled upon it in the RoSaT before the Cell Games staying a SSJ 100% of the time. Gohan by himself could’ve done something somewhat like this had he not slacked off after obtaining his powerup from Old Kai and kept up his training. Heck, it likely wouldn’t even be portrayed by a transformation either.

    It just seems too much like a different type of ki for it to merely be condensed.

  • Koibito888

    Yes, but until it’s different its not. It can always change but until it’s changed it’s not. Yes later Toriyama could change God Ki and how it’s made but until he does, what’s given is fact. So as of right this moment, God Ki is factually confirmed to be created by holding in your Ki and raising it. That’s just how it is.

    And honestly for a bit of speculation, even if Toriyama did add to it later he probably wouldn’t change much. I mean for as much info as he’s dropped info for SSJ, not a single bit of it actually changes how we understand SSJ to work. I mean we always knew SSJ was a physical transformation based on emotion but that that transformation could be mastered beyond emotion leaving it only possible to be left up to a physical feeling (with every few instances of a character learning SSJ and then needing to transform it again being taught by ‘remembering that feeling) and Ki even has a physical feeling to it as proven by Gohan teaching Videl to fly – ‘tingly feeling’ is pretty much the same exact concept as ‘a pull in your abdomen’ just at a different spot. We knew SSJ worked genetically because Goten could easily access SSJ and Gohan couldn’t with their only difference being Goku’s ability to access it at conception just like the tails. We already watched as the gentler the Saiyan the more power and easier access (or younger access) of the form. All of this stuff merely gives us more detail about stuff we basically already knew, it’s just finally specified. Point being if he adds more detail about God Ki or the SSJ God forms and such it’s not going to be much different from what we’ve already been told. It’ll likely always be ‘holding in your Ki and raising it’ and he’ll probably add details like how it feels, how it works in more descriptive words but likely will be kept the same, things like that. SSJ’s changes are barely drastic if changes at all, Toriyama is pretty consistent with certain concepts in DBZ and SSJ forms is definitely one of them. So far everything about God Ki lines up with each use and probably will stay that way, if he gives us much more info on it at all, so even from a speculative standpoint there isn’t much evidence to base your idea that it’ll change so drastically on.

    “Vegeta’s attack against Toppo could be dismissed as a god fighting another god, just like Goku against Beerus”
    Except Frieza can fight God Ki using characters AND dispel and survive Destructive Ki entirely without God Ki, so no, it’s based entirely on the strength of the Ki rather than differing types. It does not cancel Ki is just is a stronger/more destructive application of Ki as God Ki is just a held in and heightened/condensed state of Ki.

    “And when Goku first became a god by way of the ritual, he didn’t have the ability to hold in his ki as he was still getting used to the form.”
    They never actually touched at all on Goku’s ability to hold in Ki, but we know that God Ki can’t be sensed specifically because it’s all held in and SSJG could not be sensed. It is obviously an automatic effect caused by the transformation in the case of SSJG.

    “If becoming a god were indeed 100% as simple as keeping your ki condensed, they likely would’ve stumbled upon that method quite a while ago before they even met Beerus”
    Except they clearly didn’t because in the scene where they explain God Ki, Goku and Vegeta had to actually come to the conclusion to hold in their Ki, with Goku’s surprise on the matter showing they did not in fact consider it. So no it’s not likely clearly as no one figured it out. It’s just the opposite of the natural way of thinking. Explosions go boom outwards, Ki explodes outwards and that makes power, just because for some baseless reason you think everyone should figure something out doesn’t mean the characters actually would. It doesn’t matter if they should have figured it out, they didn’t, so they clearly shouldn’t have.

    Hell Krillin’s new power up was based on condensing his Ki. He wasn’t holding it all in or nearly raising it enough to make God Ki, but he was condensing it and holding it in to release it at a more focused point and he also was shown to never consider such a method. It clearly was not an obvious application in the world of DBZ and that’s been flat out proven. You can’t just deny that just because you have a feeling.

    It just doesn’t work that way. You can’t just have a gut feeling disprove actual on screen explanations that’s just not logical or correct. What’s facts are facts. It’s not too different a type of Ki it’s only difference is that it’s held in so it can’t be sensed and it’s more powerful, while still being able to be overpowered by a stronger normal Ki character meaning it has no specific effect of nullifying other types of Ki – it just IS Ki but held in and raised meaning it’s condensed in a series where it has been established now that condensed Ki is much more powerful. Destructive Ki has shown the exact same symptoms so far:

    A Ki with a more powerful effect but that still JUST comes down to power because normal Ki AND God Ki can both combat it with the right level of power meaning it too is likely just a different way of moving normal Ki. In fact as becoming a God (which in DBZ means learning to have your Ki held in and raised to a point of being God Ki) is a prerequisite for this it’s even possible that Destruction Ki is just more condensed, or the most condensed state possible. Of course that’s speculation but the point is that objectively speaking it also lines up with the facts provided – everything so far lines up with the facts directly given and so there is no reason or basis for you to have some feeling that it’s different just because it seems like that to you. That is a preconceived notion based on I don’t know what and it’s just simply not true, nor does anything else directly given line up with that feeling of yours that contradicts the facts given.

    Directly given facts and multiple concepts lining up with it >>>>>>>>>>> Your gut feeling

  • Ryumancer

    Perhaps. But it shouldn’t be flat out said like “Well all you have to do is…” or “All that’s required is to…” To explain Godly ki, it seems more accurate to say something to the effect of “Well from what we know at the moment…” or “From what was said/mentioned/implied…”

    I feel what you’re saying but it still sounds too presumptuous and precocious to say that that would be the one and only thing you’d need to ever do to reach godhood.

  • Ryumancer

    Oddly enough, I found another wikia about Dragonball that’s actually a bit more informative than the normal DB wikia that most seem to go to.

    Don’t worry, the site I’m talking about seems to support your case more than it does mine. But I feel it’s worth investigating to see how much of it is good and how much of it is complete hogwash. I know its credibility is subpar at best considering it’s a wiki page and people can easily edit it, but see what you think yourself, bro. The address I left down below talks about God ki. And like I said it more supports what you say. Just leaving down there.

    dragonballuniverse.wikia.Com/wiki/God_Ki

  • Koibito888

    This is off topic but I was just playing some of the new XV stuff and Zamasu’s whole bit and I see Zamasu doing a ritual to power me up insinuating Old Kai’s ritual making me remember the craptastic manga and Kaioshin stuff I’m debating and I just have to ask….

    Does no one remember that Old Kai’s ritual was something he said he got from the witch? None of that is Kai stuff. Old Kai’s ritual is not a Kai thing it’s a magic thing other Kai do not have and it does not make you a Supreme Kai’s apprentice, none of this stuff is correct.

  • Koibito888

    Except, again, you can’t just say facts aren’t facts because they could change. What is given now is the facts. Nothing about that scene hinted it was leading to something, it was a purely expositional scene explaining how Goku and Vegeta were achieving a power up. There was no ‘it could be the secret to God Ki, BUT…’ no there was no hint that the series was going to twist on us and reveal some other way or reason to get God Ki. It explained to us how it worked cut and dry as a fact, both explaining to us how it’s done and showing us on screen them following that exact method and gaining God Ki from it. The series tells us that holding in your Ki and raising it makes God Ki and shows us this fact. There is no ‘at the moment’ it is a cold hard fact until directly stated and or shown otherwise. Canon is what IS established, not what could be, and what’s canon is the facts. The possibility of change does not render a fact moot, it is exactly what it takes to make God Ki until anything more is said meaning until anything is said, we absolutely have to assume that is the way it works – except its not even an assumption, because they revealed these facts to us.

    “it still sounds too presumptuous and precocious to say that that would be the one and only thing you’d need to ever do to reach godhood”

    Based on what? Look, it sounds like you just want there to be more to Godhood. That you dont like the idea of a God being a simple concept and are still holding out hope that there will be more and you want to not accept the facts until they reveal it the way you wish it would be. I could be wrong but you’re in utter denial of what was directly stated and shown and just admitted your reasoning is that it sounds too presumptuous for there to only be one simple way to become a God which is just objectively not a good enough reason. So I don’t know what else to think your reasoning is other than you wish it was more complex but it’s not and honestly it shouldn’t be, this is DBZ and simple is how the series works.

  • Koibito888

    Some of the info is wonky like assigning colors of just God Ki to certain aspects such as Gods of Destruction use purple when that purple energy is now proven to specifically be ‘Destruction Energy’ and is not just a color you get for having a rank, it’s a technique you learn. Saiyans with God Ki don’t just get red or blue God Ki, those are specific transformations not attributes of God Ki.

    Also Vegeta got God Ki in the moment that he discovered it on screen. He more than implied this was his first time having the idea and was surprised by the results, he did not get it previously with some mysterious training with Whis

    Zamasu also never had a moment where they had him learning God Ki. While obviously the wiki is right about mortals being trained to be gods of destruction, Kai are definitely implied to be a race born with God Ki or born Gods. The wiki sites chapter 478 as Goku being able to sense King Kai’s Ki but I just read the chapter and no mention of that happened, King Kai wasn’t even in the chapter so I dont know where they got that.

    But yeah what I’m saying is still true.

  • KDG

    I wonder how Zeno will rule in the case of a draw. We already know based off the last episode of Dragon Ball Z that Goku and Universe 7 co. will still exist post-Tournament of Power. The question is how? As of current, Jiren is alone against Goku, Vegeta, 17, and an unconscious Frieza.

    It’s also interesting to note that Vegeta at the very least surpassed the power of a lower level God of Destruction. Also, despite all of the constant sh!t talking from people who swore Vegeta was going to be eliminated a long time ago, he has survived two fights against Jiren, overpowered and eliminated Toppo at his very strongest, and still has enough juice in him to continue fighting Jiren. His victory over Toppo may have also further increased his power. I’m not sure I believe that Vegeta’s going to be eliminated. And even if he does, he’s going to put up one hell of a fight. Vegeta has definitely had a much more impressive run in this tournament than Goku has, despite Goku’s superior Limit Breaker.

  • PurexedSolitude;

    How has Vegeta had a more impressive run?

    I understand him lasting against Jiren deserves praise but Goku since the beginning of the tournament has been in constant battle against more than one opponent at a time (minus once or twice.)

    Plus after he fought Jiren the first time he’s been fighting with I’m sure way less than 100% strength. I think Goku has proven to be more impressive in that regard.

  • KDG

    Vegeta has eliminated about as many fighters as Goku has. He fought Jiren without the benefit of an extra multiplier like Kaioken that he could stack on top of Super Saiyan Blue, and actually gave him a slightly better fight than Goku did prior to losing. While Goku unconsciously gained his Limit Breaker form due to his own clash with the Spirit Bomb, Vegeta achieved his own Limit Breaker form through sheer force of will alone, and did not require a third-party force like the Spirit Bomb to do it. While it is impressive that Goku has been fighting on almost empty since his first bout with Jiren, several fighters have in fact come to Goku’s aid so as to prevent Universe 7’s strongest fighter from being eliminated. Vegeta on the other hand has mostly been fighting on his own, with the exception of the few times he came to Goku’s aid and fought alongside him. Vegeta has fought as many fighters as Goku had, and has taken less damage. Unlike Goku, he’s been fighting smart and conserving a good portion of his stamina, while Goku has been going all out due to being defeated by Jiren. And unlike Goku, Vegeta has actually fought and defeated a God of Destruction, which to me speaks volumes.

    Goku has had a very impressive run in this tournament. But Vegeta has been doing just as much as Goku, with less advantages at his disposal. While Goku may have been ganged up against on several occasions, his comrades have felt the need to protect him as he’s viewed as their universe’s greatest asset. No one has really cared about aiding Vegeta, and he still managed to fight and keep himself afloat, and has saved Goku, Roshi, and others from elimination between his own battles. Vegeta’s run has been most respectable.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    If I’m not mistaken didn’t Goku learn that?

  • Koibito888

    In the manga goku tried beerus’ technique and it failed and it looked as if it was difficult for him to do. So goku specifically used the Destruction technique and in the anime this is not a thing at all. So in any case it wasn’t just god ki it was specifically the god of destruction technique

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Okay but as you just said he used it so God ki is different from regular ki. It’s not a saperate storage but simular to Yu Yu Hakusho energy category, spirit energy, demon energy, and sacred energy.

  • Koibito888

    The difference between yuyu is that demon and spirit energy had two different sources. You have to be a demon to produce demon energy. You can become a demon but you have to make that change to the energy source.

    However in dbz it’s not you have to become a god to use god ki it’s that you have to mold ki in a certain way which is considered godly and you become one based on that simple ability.

    Spirit and demon energy are still two different energy types, one does not become the other.

    God ki to regular ki is like ice to water, different states of the same exact substance.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    When I put demon I was only giving an example as to how powerful one can still be given which energy they have, but sacred is pretty much just like God ki. And the fact that Goku can use such a move while having god ki shows that only those with that kind of ki can wield it

  • Koibito888

    Yeah just the point is it’s definitely all Ki, with the only difference being how its compressed. Yes it’s clear God Ki is definitely something needed to then use Destruction Ki because otherwise Gods of Destruction wouldn’t need to be Gods.

    It means that Destruction Ki is likely an even further application of God Ki which is just compressed Ki. Destruction Ki could very well be a more compressed, or even the highest state of compressed Ki. Point being is that they are very much more like different techniques of Ki than actual different kinds of Ki

  • Navok76

    I don’t think Zeno would really care about that since he likes both of U7 and U11 and not to mention that he allowed using items like potara so. Jiren awakened his full power so expect Frieza and 17 to be eliminated soon (as i’ve seen from spoilers).

    And Vegeta did a good job in the latest episodes, but as someone loves vegeta didn’t expect that he would have that much of power and eliminate Toppo in his god form, i just thought that toei was gonna shaft him and eliminate as soon as possible. and i like the moment when Jiren praised him from ringing out Toppo tho

  • anonymous

    17 probably yeah from the title, but where did you hear about Frieza’s elimination?

  • Navok76

    Ep 129 spoilers say that goku and jiren will only remain in the arena

  • KDG

    Zeno may like both universes, but he also feels that there are too many. Initially he was going to indiscriminately erase several without giving them a fighting chance. So I think in the case of a draw, he’d probably go with a sudden death/overtime round judging by his excitement.

    Personally, I never doubted Vegeta. Being shafted was a normal occurrence for him in Z. That has not really been the case in Super. With the exception of a couple mishaps here and there, Vegeta has been thriving. I knew Vegeta would make it all the way to the last moments of the tournament, and I figured he would eliminate Toppo. It only happened a lot sooner than I expected. I honestly thought Toppo would give Vegeta a better fight given that he is Universe 11’s number two.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    That’s why it’s simular to sacred energy

  • Koibito888

    Barely. Sacred energy is never given an actual like physical explanation on how it’s made. It’s just holy, the most pure energy, it’s this grandiose thing.

    What I’m trying to say is there’s nothing grandiose about god ki. It’s purely physical, scientific even. It isn’t holy it isn’t pure it isn’t any abstract type of thing. It’s literally just condensed.

    Sacred energy was very arbitrary and symbolic in what it was. It also still was painted as a completely different type of energy not basic energy when someone did something to it.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    That’s where your wrong sacred energy is just spiritual energy in its purest form, in which the user use have great resolve for change which is why Sensui was it’s only user. Kenkai was close in getting this form but she didn’t have the resolve.

    Seeing as spiritual energy can either be use for matter manipulation, healing, or powering other objections or even encrypting ones spiritual attacks so does scared energy only in a more grander scale such as armor.

    Simular to you said how God ki is just ki compress sacred is just purer, the similarities is that it can be obtain, it have a unique special ability that can only be used by its type, and is pretty much god hood.

    The only thing different between ki/god and spiritual/demon is that they can’t one of them can’t be merge

  • Koibito888

    It’s not just spirit energy as demons were said to be able to use it too. In the manga genkai was also stated to straight up be able to use it so she is an actual user of it.

    But see what I’m saying is that things like ‘resolve’ ‘purity of the energy’ these are all arbitrary and spiritual things. You don’t need any emotional motivation or steeled resolve or anything. So with what you stated yes there are similarities but god ki is even less spiritual is my point, that there is literally nothing to God ki save condensed ki. It’s purely and 100% physical in difference.

    Basically while there are similarities it’s still not fair to compare the two without that disclaimer because it really needs to be stressed the pure physical non grandiose nature of God ki because thinking it’s anything more is confusing a lot of people.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    People can only use demon energy if they wish to be a demon like Tougro

    Yet it’s a stage for spirit/ki is which I’m stating, a higher form of power.

  • Koibito888

    I’m saying demons could use sacred energy too.

    The point I’m making is that thats not enough of a similarity to call them the same.

  • PurexedSolitude;

    Who has Vegeta fought beside Jiren with Goku and the first fodder characters we saw in the beginning of the tournament?

    I forgot but I know has fought more, regardless of aid or not, Goku in the end defeated the opponent.

    Kale and Caulifla (Kefla) for instance.

    No support from anyone there and that was arguably the strongest character besides Jiren and GOD Toppo.

  • Anthony_weaver86

    Sigh w.e

  • Navok76

    zeno is wise so i don’t see him do anything by a mistake.

    i mean vegeta never had his own victory against a big bad boss (Cell, buu, frieza, goku black,janemba,etc) all he did in the past training to get stronger but he didn’t beat any without goku’s help. and toppo couldn’t even drop out a fodder so you shouldn’t have expected him to give vegeta a better fight.

  • KDG

    I don’t know if I’d call Zeno wise. He just seems to me like the pinnacle of innocence. A childish god holding a magnifying glass on a sunny day, aiming the hot beam of light over several anthills he no longer wants the responsibility of overseeing. The Grand Priest is Zeno’s wisdom. Otherwise Zeno is just a child with very few thoughts in his head.

    As for Toppo, he may have failed to eliminate Frieza and 17, but that’s mainly due to 17 saving Frieza every time Toppo attempted to eliminate him. That and the fact that Toppo seemed more interested in humiliating Frieza for his cocky attitude and relentless insults. Given that these are the final moments of a long tournament, and Toppo was finally going all out, I expected just a little bit more from him against Vegeta. But rightfully so, Vegeta handled Toppo in true Vegeta fashion.